1 00:00:00,179 --> 00:00:05,220 foreign 2 00:00:05,230 --> 00:00:18,790 [Laughter] 3 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:21,830 welcome back to another episode of 4 00:00:28,910 --> 00:00:24,960 liminal frames I'm your host Nathan and 5 00:00:32,089 --> 00:00:28,920 I'm joined Fireside by my co-host Darren 6 00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:32,099 EXO academian Darren I want to quickly 7 00:00:38,630 --> 00:00:34,160 kind of set the scene for folks 8 00:00:40,069 --> 00:00:38,640 we are outside again no I'm sorry to 9 00:00:42,069 --> 00:00:40,079 disappoint our listeners we're not at 10 00:00:43,850 --> 00:00:42,079 the soccer field this time 11 00:00:47,090 --> 00:00:43,860 we are 12 00:00:48,790 --> 00:00:47,100 uh sitting by a nice fire actually out 13 00:00:52,790 --> 00:00:48,800 at my house 14 00:00:54,470 --> 00:00:52,800 and the sky is fairly cloudy but the 15 00:00:56,810 --> 00:00:54,480 clouds are moving at a good clip and we 16 00:00:59,029 --> 00:00:56,820 can see the moon really brightly through 17 00:01:02,270 --> 00:00:59,039 the clouds and it's just painting a 18 00:01:04,189 --> 00:01:02,280 beautiful picture if you can hear any 19 00:01:06,170 --> 00:01:04,199 background noise you're likely to hear 20 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:06,180 the crackle of the fire 21 00:01:13,670 --> 00:01:09,600 the rustle of the leaves as well as the 22 00:01:16,429 --> 00:01:13,680 wind in the air but EXO we've not done 23 00:01:18,469 --> 00:01:16,439 this in a long time I'm a little fearful 24 00:01:21,289 --> 00:01:18,479 what our listeners will say how are you 25 00:01:24,469 --> 00:01:21,299 feeling about our second episode live 26 00:01:27,170 --> 00:01:24,479 outside so far so good you know I think 27 00:01:28,210 --> 00:01:27,180 that initial attempt we didn't know how 28 00:01:31,249 --> 00:01:28,220 many 29 00:01:32,990 --> 00:01:31,259 atmospheric noises there would be but 30 00:01:35,749 --> 00:01:33,000 this time we kind of took a precaution 31 00:01:37,130 --> 00:01:35,759 and you know like Nathan said we're in 32 00:01:38,690 --> 00:01:37,140 his front yard actually where he's got 33 00:01:40,910 --> 00:01:38,700 this beautiful fire pit with these 34 00:01:44,569 --> 00:01:40,920 chairs around it and kind of a rock 35 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:44,579 formation backdrop and we can see the 36 00:01:50,030 --> 00:01:47,340 Blue Ridge Mountains off in the distance 37 00:01:52,130 --> 00:01:50,040 through the trees beautiful scene and 38 00:01:53,450 --> 00:01:52,140 it's very quiet other than the subtle 39 00:01:55,609 --> 00:01:53,460 crackle of the fire so I think we're 40 00:01:56,389 --> 00:01:55,619 going to be good yeah it's really quite 41 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:56,399 nice 42 00:02:02,690 --> 00:02:00,240 uh well tonight we're going to explore 43 00:02:04,730 --> 00:02:02,700 the intersection of physics 44 00:02:06,350 --> 00:02:04,740 and metaphysics 45 00:02:07,850 --> 00:02:06,360 and we're going to explore that we're 46 00:02:09,529 --> 00:02:07,860 going to jump off into that topic 47 00:02:10,969 --> 00:02:09,539 through something that I think a lot of 48 00:02:13,210 --> 00:02:10,979 our listeners are familiar with it 49 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:13,220 certainly talked about quite frequently 50 00:02:19,850 --> 00:02:17,160 in UFO circles and that is the infamous 51 00:02:20,809 --> 00:02:19,860 slide nine and so I've got slide 9 up in 52 00:02:23,089 --> 00:02:20,819 front of me I'm going to read through 53 00:02:24,589 --> 00:02:23,099 that and then we're going to just going 54 00:02:28,510 --> 00:02:24,599 to go into some of the the different 55 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:28,520 things that come to mind related to this 56 00:02:33,290 --> 00:02:30,660 important slide 57 00:02:35,869 --> 00:02:33,300 so the title of the slide is DoD threat 58 00:02:40,790 --> 00:02:35,879 scenario and there's a parenthetical 59 00:02:44,089 --> 00:02:40,800 there in the title atip Sub Focus areas 60 00:02:46,190 --> 00:02:44,099 and the content reads the science exists 61 00:02:48,949 --> 00:02:46,200 for an enemy of the United States to 62 00:02:51,830 --> 00:02:48,959 manipulate both physical and cognitive 63 00:02:55,369 --> 00:02:51,840 environments in order to penetrate U.S 64 00:02:58,910 --> 00:02:55,379 facilities influence decision makers and 65 00:03:01,630 --> 00:02:58,920 compromise National Security 66 00:03:03,710 --> 00:03:01,640 and then it lists the following bullets 67 00:03:08,390 --> 00:03:03,720 psychotronic weapons 68 00:03:11,710 --> 00:03:08,400 cognitive human interface or Chi 69 00:03:15,670 --> 00:03:11,720 penetration of solid surfaces 70 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:15,680 instantaneous sensor disassembly 71 00:03:21,949 --> 00:03:18,780 alteration slash manipulation of 72 00:03:27,050 --> 00:03:21,959 biological organisms 73 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:27,060 anomalies in the space-time construct 74 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:30,720 unique cognitive human interface 75 00:03:35,050 --> 00:03:33,120 experiences 76 00:03:37,970 --> 00:03:35,060 and then it states 77 00:03:40,729 --> 00:03:37,980 DOD advantages 78 00:03:42,770 --> 00:03:40,739 DOD has been involved in similar 79 00:03:45,589 --> 00:03:42,780 experiments in the past 80 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:45,599 DOD has relationships with renowned 81 00:03:51,170 --> 00:03:47,760 subject matter experts 82 00:03:54,649 --> 00:03:51,180 DOD controls several facilities where 83 00:03:58,430 --> 00:03:54,659 activities have been detected 84 00:03:59,930 --> 00:03:58,440 and the bottom of this slide 85 00:04:01,250 --> 00:03:59,940 probably one of the more powerful 86 00:04:04,190 --> 00:04:01,260 statements 87 00:04:10,570 --> 00:04:04,200 what was considered quote unquote 88 00:04:18,349 --> 00:04:12,830 all right well there's a lot in that 89 00:04:20,689 --> 00:04:18,359 slide and more and more I'm finding that 90 00:04:22,370 --> 00:04:20,699 folks raise the slide as kind of a get 91 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:22,380 out of jail free card to talk about 92 00:04:27,830 --> 00:04:24,720 really insert your phenomena of choice 93 00:04:30,290 --> 00:04:27,840 and say hey we're we're studying this 94 00:04:33,950 --> 00:04:30,300 clearly we have some insights into this 95 00:04:36,409 --> 00:04:33,960 look at slide nine and usually where 96 00:04:38,689 --> 00:04:36,419 they will land is exactly where the 97 00:04:41,689 --> 00:04:38,699 slide lands and that is in the realm of 98 00:04:43,969 --> 00:04:41,699 quantum physics that quantum physics our 99 00:04:46,129 --> 00:04:43,979 understanding of quantum mechanics is 100 00:04:49,850 --> 00:04:46,139 pointing in the direction of many of 101 00:04:52,790 --> 00:04:49,860 these observed phenomena and the subtext 102 00:04:55,730 --> 00:04:52,800 really being that our science is now 103 00:04:57,830 --> 00:04:55,740 getting to a place where these phenomena 104 00:05:00,890 --> 00:04:57,840 are entering into the realm of 105 00:05:03,469 --> 00:05:00,900 understandable Science and Technology 106 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:03,479 and I think that's a very powerful 107 00:05:07,150 --> 00:05:04,620 statement 108 00:05:10,430 --> 00:05:07,160 I also find it to be quite seductive 109 00:05:12,409 --> 00:05:10,440 because it implies that we are on the 110 00:05:14,990 --> 00:05:12,419 cusp if we haven't already arrived at 111 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:15,000 being able to do many of the things the 112 00:05:21,050 --> 00:05:18,960 slide States and that we're able to do 113 00:05:24,350 --> 00:05:21,060 so through our knowledge of and 114 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:24,360 manipulation of quantum science and 115 00:05:31,850 --> 00:05:29,039 Quantum reality but so you know I wanna 116 00:05:33,170 --> 00:05:31,860 explore this a little bit more you know 117 00:05:35,450 --> 00:05:33,180 what what are some things that you think 118 00:05:37,550 --> 00:05:35,460 about when you see this brought up in 119 00:05:40,189 --> 00:05:37,560 conversation and and folks pointing to 120 00:05:42,050 --> 00:05:40,199 this as uh you know oh wow look here it 121 00:05:43,969 --> 00:05:42,060 is here's the answer 122 00:05:45,469 --> 00:05:43,979 yeah we probably will go back and forth 123 00:05:46,969 --> 00:05:45,479 on this a few times 124 00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:46,979 um I think that'll be helpful for people 125 00:05:50,510 --> 00:05:49,680 because there's a lot to break down 126 00:05:53,029 --> 00:05:50,520 um 127 00:05:54,350 --> 00:05:53,039 you know one of the things I studied is 128 00:05:55,430 --> 00:05:54,360 something called neuro-linguistic 129 00:05:58,490 --> 00:05:55,440 programming 130 00:06:00,469 --> 00:05:58,500 and basically it comes down to 131 00:06:03,770 --> 00:06:00,479 the way you say things the way you 132 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:03,780 communicate is meant to program people's 133 00:06:08,029 --> 00:06:05,940 brain it's meant to produce certain kind 134 00:06:11,450 --> 00:06:08,039 of responses in people's brains 135 00:06:13,010 --> 00:06:11,460 and when I read slide nine it's very 136 00:06:15,110 --> 00:06:13,020 clear to me that it's written for a very 137 00:06:17,870 --> 00:06:15,120 specific audience and it's meant to 138 00:06:19,969 --> 00:06:17,880 communicate some unusual unorthodox 139 00:06:22,129 --> 00:06:19,979 unconventional ideas to that audience 140 00:06:24,529 --> 00:06:22,139 right and to do it in such a way that 141 00:06:26,809 --> 00:06:24,539 they feel less freaked out about it and 142 00:06:27,710 --> 00:06:26,819 see it as a 143 00:06:30,309 --> 00:06:27,720 um 144 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:30,319 sort of a recipe for 145 00:06:35,629 --> 00:06:32,819 advantageous military infrastructure 146 00:06:38,749 --> 00:06:35,639 even moving forward versus other Earth 147 00:06:41,570 --> 00:06:38,759 adversaries right Other Nation States 148 00:06:43,610 --> 00:06:41,580 um so what I really hear in a lot of 149 00:06:44,749 --> 00:06:43,620 that is when they say at the end it's 150 00:06:46,909 --> 00:06:44,759 kind of strange at the end they don't 151 00:06:49,070 --> 00:06:46,919 even say anomalous phenomena they just 152 00:06:50,689 --> 00:06:49,080 say phenomena which is actually not very 153 00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:50,699 well stated right that's kind of vague 154 00:06:53,990 --> 00:06:52,080 right but what they're really saying is 155 00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:54,000 anomalous phenomena 156 00:06:59,570 --> 00:06:56,520 is now just quantum physics you could 157 00:07:02,090 --> 00:06:59,580 also say magic is really just quantum 158 00:07:05,689 --> 00:07:02,100 physics so they're taking it out of woo 159 00:07:08,409 --> 00:07:05,699 land and saying listen this lands 160 00:07:12,170 --> 00:07:08,419 squarely within our model of physicalism 161 00:07:14,390 --> 00:07:12,180 albeit with uh the quantum realities and 162 00:07:16,730 --> 00:07:14,400 quantum theory if you go there then 163 00:07:18,610 --> 00:07:16,740 suddenly all this makes sense and not 164 00:07:21,950 --> 00:07:18,620 only that but it's potentially 165 00:07:24,350 --> 00:07:21,960 actionable information that could again 166 00:07:26,089 --> 00:07:24,360 Aid our military infrastructure moving 167 00:07:28,029 --> 00:07:26,099 forward 168 00:07:30,770 --> 00:07:28,039 I love that perspective 169 00:07:32,689 --> 00:07:30,780 and I think that's important to remind 170 00:07:34,909 --> 00:07:32,699 folks that it is 171 00:07:37,629 --> 00:07:34,919 it comes out of a context that's 172 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:37,639 something that we really try hard to 173 00:07:43,850 --> 00:07:40,560 emphasize in our conversation when we 174 00:07:45,950 --> 00:07:43,860 take a look at any topic that I always 175 00:07:48,890 --> 00:07:45,960 understand the context in which the 176 00:07:51,230 --> 00:07:48,900 conversation is being had or the the 177 00:07:53,089 --> 00:07:51,240 understanding or conclusion it has been 178 00:07:55,610 --> 00:07:53,099 reached and if you can understand that 179 00:07:58,550 --> 00:07:55,620 context then you you really know what 180 00:08:00,110 --> 00:07:58,560 folks are trying to get at there I think 181 00:08:04,909 --> 00:08:00,120 the way you put it this kind of Bridging 182 00:08:07,089 --> 00:08:04,919 the Divide between in a magical or what 183 00:08:09,290 --> 00:08:07,099 would I'm sure seem like insane 184 00:08:12,830 --> 00:08:09,300 abilities that were listed in some of 185 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:12,840 those bullet points and to bring that 186 00:08:17,809 --> 00:08:15,840 into an approachable space for an 187 00:08:20,570 --> 00:08:17,819 audience that may not be familiar with 188 00:08:22,790 --> 00:08:20,580 it or even take it seriously yeah and to 189 00:08:25,010 --> 00:08:22,800 say hey this is actually a lot of what 190 00:08:28,129 --> 00:08:25,020 our quantum physics and understanding 191 00:08:30,170 --> 00:08:28,139 it's now pointing to the fact that these 192 00:08:33,110 --> 00:08:30,180 capabilities which seem like magic and 193 00:08:34,089 --> 00:08:33,120 so strange are actually capable way 194 00:08:37,370 --> 00:08:34,099 possible 195 00:08:41,930 --> 00:08:37,380 and it's it's a it's really quite 196 00:08:45,050 --> 00:08:41,940 profound on the other hand I think that 197 00:08:48,610 --> 00:08:45,060 in looking at this I'm reminded of 198 00:08:50,170 --> 00:08:48,620 periods in history where a lot of 199 00:08:53,630 --> 00:08:50,180 unexplainable 200 00:08:57,730 --> 00:08:53,640 phenomena were observed and discussed 201 00:09:01,009 --> 00:08:57,740 within the intelligency of the day and 202 00:09:04,070 --> 00:09:01,019 the conclusions they came to about that 203 00:09:07,790 --> 00:09:04,080 phenomena to get it from unexplainable 204 00:09:10,610 --> 00:09:07,800 to explainable were brought about by 205 00:09:13,790 --> 00:09:10,620 just the latest scientific advancements 206 00:09:16,610 --> 00:09:13,800 and understandings of reality and 207 00:09:19,490 --> 00:09:16,620 because I'm aware of this it reminds me 208 00:09:21,530 --> 00:09:19,500 that while this might be useful in that 209 00:09:23,389 --> 00:09:21,540 context we just talked about it 210 00:09:25,970 --> 00:09:23,399 certainly can't be the end of the story 211 00:09:29,570 --> 00:09:25,980 that that really there is more to it 212 00:09:32,050 --> 00:09:29,580 than just OG whiz we've now learned that 213 00:09:35,570 --> 00:09:32,060 quantum physics allows us to do magic 214 00:09:38,090 --> 00:09:35,580 that there is going to be sort of future 215 00:09:41,389 --> 00:09:38,100 areas of understanding that aren't 216 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:41,399 related in any way at all to our Quantum 217 00:09:46,610 --> 00:09:43,680 understanding of the world that will 218 00:09:48,470 --> 00:09:46,620 eventually be part and parcel of the the 219 00:09:51,230 --> 00:09:48,480 world we inhabit and won't be strange 220 00:09:54,050 --> 00:09:51,240 and and we'll go ah well that that must 221 00:09:55,970 --> 00:09:54,060 be what it is now uh you know it's 222 00:09:58,550 --> 00:09:55,980 actually this it's no longer Quantum 223 00:09:59,990 --> 00:09:58,560 stuff it's actually something else so 224 00:10:01,910 --> 00:10:00,000 we're always kind of dealing with these 225 00:10:05,990 --> 00:10:01,920 sort of transitional 226 00:10:07,850 --> 00:10:06,000 periods and translating the days uh best 227 00:10:11,590 --> 00:10:07,860 knowledge and understanding of reality 228 00:10:14,210 --> 00:10:11,600 uh trying to make sense of the unknown 229 00:10:16,310 --> 00:10:14,220 yeah absolutely and you can see that 230 00:10:18,650 --> 00:10:16,320 looking back at history and I'm reminded 231 00:10:21,410 --> 00:10:18,660 of that famous quote by Arthur C Clarke 232 00:10:23,150 --> 00:10:21,420 that said something to the effect of any 233 00:10:25,550 --> 00:10:23,160 sufficiently advanced technology will 234 00:10:28,970 --> 00:10:25,560 appear like magic to a less Advanced 235 00:10:30,769 --> 00:10:28,980 civilization and so again what the slide 236 00:10:34,250 --> 00:10:30,779 is trying to do is say 237 00:10:36,350 --> 00:10:34,260 let's use language and words that people 238 00:10:38,389 --> 00:10:36,360 are familiar with but it's how we put 239 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:38,399 them together and what that is implying 240 00:10:42,170 --> 00:10:40,320 that is really interesting right so 241 00:10:44,870 --> 00:10:42,180 they're not going to use words like 242 00:10:45,590 --> 00:10:44,880 telepathy right even though 243 00:10:47,449 --> 00:10:45,600 um 244 00:10:50,329 --> 00:10:47,459 that might be what it's pointing towards 245 00:10:53,630 --> 00:10:50,339 they'll use words that again a military 246 00:10:54,650 --> 00:10:53,640 audience that this was a initially or an 247 00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:54,660 intelligence audience anyway 248 00:10:57,710 --> 00:10:56,399 intelligence Community audience that I 249 00:11:00,769 --> 00:10:57,720 think this was originally 250 00:11:02,750 --> 00:11:00,779 four can understand right and again it's 251 00:11:04,370 --> 00:11:02,760 all about intelligence and what's 252 00:11:05,630 --> 00:11:04,380 actionable so again that's the audience 253 00:11:07,670 --> 00:11:05,640 they're speaking to that's why they're 254 00:11:08,630 --> 00:11:07,680 going to use that language when you and 255 00:11:10,310 --> 00:11:08,640 I 256 00:11:13,090 --> 00:11:10,320 studied religious studies and biblical 257 00:11:15,530 --> 00:11:13,100 studies we learned that different genres 258 00:11:17,509 --> 00:11:15,540 are such because they're actually trying 259 00:11:20,509 --> 00:11:17,519 to speak to different audiences so even 260 00:11:21,829 --> 00:11:20,519 within the gospels you have some that 261 00:11:24,290 --> 00:11:21,839 are pitched differently than others 262 00:11:26,210 --> 00:11:24,300 because one might be geared towards a 263 00:11:28,970 --> 00:11:26,220 Jewish audience another one more towards 264 00:11:30,350 --> 00:11:28,980 a Hellenistic audience and that are not 265 00:11:31,970 --> 00:11:30,360 going to be so familiar with Jewish 266 00:11:32,870 --> 00:11:31,980 traditions and so you're going to pitch 267 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:32,880 it differently you're going to use 268 00:11:37,130 --> 00:11:34,800 different words to say the same thing 269 00:11:39,650 --> 00:11:37,140 effectively right and in this case again 270 00:11:43,910 --> 00:11:39,660 we have these words are being used very 271 00:11:47,410 --> 00:11:43,920 carefully to be able to convey some very 272 00:11:51,410 --> 00:11:47,420 strange ideas to to an audience 273 00:11:53,210 --> 00:11:51,420 but to your point yeah I think 274 00:11:54,949 --> 00:11:53,220 a couple things come to mind about this 275 00:11:56,170 --> 00:11:54,959 number one when you think about times 276 00:11:59,329 --> 00:11:56,180 where 277 00:12:02,750 --> 00:11:59,339 a notion seemed outlandish right like 278 00:12:04,610 --> 00:12:02,760 splitting the atom right the idea that 279 00:12:08,150 --> 00:12:04,620 you could to even think about it right 280 00:12:10,190 --> 00:12:08,160 to even fathom this notion that you can 281 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:10,200 um 282 00:12:14,690 --> 00:12:13,200 think back to when we would say what 283 00:12:16,730 --> 00:12:14,700 kind of weapon could we create if we 284 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:16,740 could actually split the atom right it's 285 00:12:20,389 --> 00:12:18,660 a crazy notion 286 00:12:22,430 --> 00:12:20,399 um but what I think about with that is 287 00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:22,440 we go from something maybe that was 288 00:12:26,329 --> 00:12:24,480 originally intended you know something 289 00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:26,339 could be used for energy something for 290 00:12:30,889 --> 00:12:28,320 good purposes and instead what ends up 291 00:12:32,449 --> 00:12:30,899 being is turns into a weapon that you 292 00:12:34,250 --> 00:12:32,459 know kills hundreds of thousands of 293 00:12:36,530 --> 00:12:34,260 people right and may one day be the 294 00:12:38,810 --> 00:12:36,540 demise of our entire civilization so 295 00:12:40,490 --> 00:12:38,820 what I think about also when I listen or 296 00:12:42,889 --> 00:12:40,500 read slide nine is what are the 297 00:12:45,350 --> 00:12:42,899 implications if we do manage to manage 298 00:12:48,530 --> 00:12:45,360 you know Master some of these next level 299 00:12:50,629 --> 00:12:48,540 text Technologies what ways will the 300 00:12:53,269 --> 00:12:50,639 military-industrial complex perhaps use 301 00:12:56,230 --> 00:12:53,279 those to be even more threatening to our 302 00:12:58,370 --> 00:12:56,240 civilization what kind of mind control 303 00:12:59,990 --> 00:12:58,380 techniques might be developed from this 304 00:13:01,129 --> 00:13:00,000 kind of thing when it gets pursued right 305 00:13:02,930 --> 00:13:01,139 right 306 00:13:04,610 --> 00:13:02,940 um You and I talked before we went on 307 00:13:06,769 --> 00:13:04,620 the air tonight that I think there's 308 00:13:08,930 --> 00:13:06,779 plenty of evidence that psychic 309 00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:08,940 influence happens from various others 310 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:11,040 very groups various groups of of others 311 00:13:16,009 --> 00:13:13,260 some positive sometimes not so positive 312 00:13:17,210 --> 00:13:16,019 that can influence people's behavior and 313 00:13:19,310 --> 00:13:17,220 in such a way that people don't even 314 00:13:21,050 --> 00:13:19,320 know necessarily that an outside 315 00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:21,060 influence is impacting their thought 316 00:13:25,009 --> 00:13:23,040 process so what happens when the 317 00:13:28,730 --> 00:13:25,019 military finds out how to do that right 318 00:13:31,550 --> 00:13:28,740 you go into a um a war zone and instead 319 00:13:33,050 --> 00:13:31,560 of attacking the the opposite troops you 320 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:33,060 just control them with mind control 321 00:13:36,650 --> 00:13:35,040 right things like that which on the one 322 00:13:37,730 --> 00:13:36,660 hand that could maybe create fewer 323 00:13:40,490 --> 00:13:37,740 casualties 324 00:13:42,829 --> 00:13:40,500 but on the other hand the the history of 325 00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:42,839 the military-industrial complex in 10 in 326 00:13:47,690 --> 00:13:45,420 terms of using things for you know only 327 00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:47,700 the best of intentions doesn't work out 328 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:49,680 so well so 329 00:13:53,329 --> 00:13:51,360 um that's another thing I think about 330 00:13:54,949 --> 00:13:53,339 and I'll turn it over for you for some 331 00:13:57,410 --> 00:13:54,959 thoughts on that but but after that we 332 00:14:00,350 --> 00:13:57,420 can also jump into like you kind of 333 00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:00,360 hinted at what maybe Beyond quantum 334 00:14:05,329 --> 00:14:02,399 physics does this point towards and and 335 00:14:07,190 --> 00:14:05,339 does Quantum really capture the the the 336 00:14:08,750 --> 00:14:07,200 fullness of what's being implied with 337 00:14:11,030 --> 00:14:08,760 some of those Technologies and some of 338 00:14:13,310 --> 00:14:11,040 those uh seemingly magical kind of 339 00:14:15,170 --> 00:14:13,320 Notions right well one thing that came 340 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:15,180 to mind is you were you know 341 00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:17,700 highlighting that point uh that the 342 00:14:22,310 --> 00:14:20,100 sirens were literally going off uh as 343 00:14:24,829 --> 00:14:22,320 you were talking about the dangers of 344 00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:24,839 militarizing this technology and I I'm 345 00:14:29,210 --> 00:14:27,360 laughing because we those are you're 346 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:29,220 listening we've been outside by this 347 00:14:34,730 --> 00:14:31,380 fire for over an hour and a half without 348 00:14:36,170 --> 00:14:34,740 any Sirens or any uh sort of Greater 349 00:14:37,250 --> 00:14:36,180 background music other than the sound of 350 00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:37,260 some insects and then all of a sudden 351 00:14:42,650 --> 00:14:39,839 it's starting going crazy for quite a 352 00:14:44,569 --> 00:14:42,660 long time but I'm also reminded I just 353 00:14:48,769 --> 00:14:44,579 finished a reading an excellent book 354 00:14:50,569 --> 00:14:48,779 that was recommended by Leia on UFO 355 00:14:54,290 --> 00:14:50,579 Twitter called when we cease to 356 00:14:56,329 --> 00:14:54,300 understand and much of that book talks 357 00:14:59,230 --> 00:14:56,339 about some of the early 358 00:15:02,530 --> 00:14:59,240 kind of founding minds of quantum theory 359 00:15:05,689 --> 00:15:02,540 and how many of them 360 00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:05,699 were essentially driven to Madness or 361 00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:08,959 had had intense bouts of Madness Romania 362 00:15:15,129 --> 00:15:12,240 as they were grappling with and 363 00:15:18,410 --> 00:15:15,139 discovering some of the fundamental 364 00:15:21,949 --> 00:15:18,420 mathematics related to the understanding 365 00:15:24,530 --> 00:15:21,959 of quantum reality and and many of their 366 00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:24,540 conclusions after going through these 367 00:15:29,569 --> 00:15:26,639 intense periods of Discovery were that 368 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:29,579 we we shouldn't no one should know this 369 00:15:35,210 --> 00:15:33,420 that that it's too dangerous it's uh you 370 00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:35,220 know in the wrong context it could be 371 00:15:40,610 --> 00:15:36,980 really deadly 372 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:40,620 and so some of them I I you know I think 373 00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:43,440 even actively tried to destroy their own 374 00:15:47,449 --> 00:15:44,480 work 375 00:15:51,170 --> 00:15:47,459 because of the the implications that 376 00:15:53,449 --> 00:15:51,180 they I think felt in in the unlocking 377 00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:53,459 the ability of that understanding to 378 00:15:58,009 --> 00:15:55,440 unlock Realms of reality and 379 00:16:00,700 --> 00:15:58,019 capabilities that we probably don't have 380 00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:00,710 the maturity to to deal with 381 00:16:04,009 --> 00:16:01,920 [Music] 382 00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:04,019 yeah I mean when you bring that up I 383 00:16:07,550 --> 00:16:05,519 think about the analogy of Lord of the 384 00:16:11,150 --> 00:16:07,560 Rings right and it's like it's very 385 00:16:13,250 --> 00:16:11,160 tempting and seductive to say well if 386 00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:13,260 the good guys have the ring then you 387 00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:14,639 know maybe we can keep the peace right 388 00:16:19,610 --> 00:16:17,519 right but the understanding from the 389 00:16:22,250 --> 00:16:19,620 wise ones was that you know Gandalf will 390 00:16:25,129 --> 00:16:22,260 be quick to point out to whatever Hobbit 391 00:16:26,509 --> 00:16:25,139 he's speaking to that um the only way to 392 00:16:29,449 --> 00:16:26,519 deal with that kind of thing is to 393 00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:29,459 destroy it to not let it be wielded by 394 00:16:34,189 --> 00:16:32,100 uh you know mortal beings because they 395 00:16:36,050 --> 00:16:34,199 will be corrupted by it and I think with 396 00:16:38,449 --> 00:16:36,060 that same thing again we talked already 397 00:16:41,810 --> 00:16:38,459 about Atomic technology right and atomic 398 00:16:44,269 --> 00:16:41,820 weapons and the the threat we all 399 00:16:46,850 --> 00:16:44,279 you know sleep under every night knowing 400 00:16:49,490 --> 00:16:46,860 that there's this potential to destroy 401 00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:49,500 our civilization several times over it's 402 00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:51,060 a collective Insanity when you really 403 00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:53,759 think about it right that we we live 404 00:16:58,430 --> 00:16:56,160 under this kind of um constant threat 405 00:17:00,530 --> 00:16:58,440 even though it's usually dark and cold 406 00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:00,540 right 407 00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:03,199 um but but yeah with the the quantum 408 00:17:08,689 --> 00:17:06,240 aspect that's true too I mean I think on 409 00:17:10,909 --> 00:17:08,699 a couple different ways uh I think about 410 00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,919 that number one yes if you could 411 00:17:14,449 --> 00:17:13,199 weaponize that kind of understanding 412 00:17:16,970 --> 00:17:14,459 that kind of 413 00:17:20,329 --> 00:17:16,980 um level of reality that could be game 414 00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:20,339 over right that could put to shame uh 415 00:17:24,110 --> 00:17:21,839 nuclear technology it could be even more 416 00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:24,120 devastating right you could there's 417 00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:25,679 people even talked about you know what 418 00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:28,079 if you accidentally open up a black hole 419 00:17:33,169 --> 00:17:31,200 you know and and everything collapses 420 00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:33,179 into a singularity you know in a split 421 00:17:35,450 --> 00:17:34,320 second you know something like that 422 00:17:37,070 --> 00:17:35,460 right 423 00:17:38,690 --> 00:17:37,080 um 424 00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:38,700 but you know what what's also 425 00:17:42,049 --> 00:17:40,080 interesting is that some of those guys 426 00:17:44,029 --> 00:17:42,059 also became Mystics you know some of 427 00:17:45,770 --> 00:17:44,039 those early Quantum researchers that's 428 00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:45,780 right because they recognized that there 429 00:17:51,650 --> 00:17:48,120 was a kind of like magic behind reality 430 00:17:53,570 --> 00:17:51,660 itself that it wasn't nearly as solid as 431 00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:53,580 it seemed right 432 00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:54,960 um that even something like local 433 00:17:59,810 --> 00:17:57,600 realism is not really a thing right it 434 00:18:01,370 --> 00:17:59,820 just looks that way which is a good 435 00:18:03,770 --> 00:18:01,380 jumping off point for us to move into 436 00:18:05,870 --> 00:18:03,780 the next part of the discussion but but 437 00:18:07,490 --> 00:18:05,880 you can go either way you know you could 438 00:18:08,930 --> 00:18:07,500 either be driven to Madness because 439 00:18:11,150 --> 00:18:08,940 everything you thought about the world 440 00:18:13,010 --> 00:18:11,160 and reality of some suddenly that rug is 441 00:18:15,130 --> 00:18:13,020 pulled up from under you 442 00:18:18,529 --> 00:18:15,140 on the other hand you could from there 443 00:18:20,450 --> 00:18:18,539 develop much more of a spiritual or 444 00:18:23,210 --> 00:18:20,460 meaningful energetic kind of 445 00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:23,220 understanding of reality where 446 00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:24,720 um 447 00:18:30,409 --> 00:18:27,840 somehow this underlying meaning 448 00:18:33,169 --> 00:18:30,419 structure and energy becomes what looks 449 00:18:35,090 --> 00:18:33,179 like physicality right and that opens up 450 00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:35,100 for new freedoms in terms of how to 451 00:18:39,289 --> 00:18:37,140 think about the physical world but again 452 00:18:43,130 --> 00:18:39,299 depending on who approaches that topic 453 00:18:45,409 --> 00:18:43,140 they might have very different responses 454 00:18:47,090 --> 00:18:45,419 well it all gets really it's something 455 00:18:49,010 --> 00:18:47,100 you you know you've already touched on 456 00:18:51,169 --> 00:18:49,020 and that's just 457 00:18:54,770 --> 00:18:51,179 the the maturity of our 458 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:54,780 species to kind of grapple with these 459 00:18:59,210 --> 00:18:56,580 deeper layers of reality 460 00:19:00,830 --> 00:18:59,220 and when our knee-jerk reaction is how 461 00:19:03,049 --> 00:19:00,840 can weaponize it 462 00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:03,059 uh that often that to me kind of tells 463 00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:04,559 you all you need to know 464 00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:07,200 about where we are in that in the 465 00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:09,240 spectrum of uh sort of conscious 466 00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:10,640 development there 467 00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:13,679 how big of a role does that play in your 468 00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:16,080 mind in in understanding 469 00:19:20,510 --> 00:19:18,120 what's really going on with the 470 00:19:23,210 --> 00:19:20,520 phenomenon we've spent a lot of time 471 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:23,220 tonight before the show 472 00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,380 you know talking through the 473 00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:27,120 implications of 474 00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:29,460 phenomenal experience and the deeper 475 00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:31,980 kind of cosmology and and much of that 476 00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:34,740 conversation did come back to you know 477 00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:37,080 really where are we in our development 478 00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:40,320 and uh where do we where are we supposed 479 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:43,919 to go what is the journey like what are 480 00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:47,760 the lessons to be learned and I find 481 00:19:55,690 --> 00:19:51,900 after that conversation reflecting on 482 00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:55,700 so much of what we fixate on in our UFO 483 00:20:00,289 --> 00:19:57,780 conversation circles 484 00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:00,299 seems to be misplaced because it really 485 00:20:06,289 --> 00:20:04,559 is often on the technology and how can 486 00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,299 we understand it and Advance our 487 00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:08,240 understanding and science 488 00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:11,100 and and that in many ways is kind of 489 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:13,740 missing the underlying point 490 00:20:19,450 --> 00:20:16,559 and that's that we are here for 491 00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:19,460 a greater reason 492 00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:23,280 Beyond just mastering our environment 493 00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:27,440 and overcoming physical matter 494 00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:31,440 gaining a kind of godhood over our our 495 00:20:36,430 --> 00:20:35,039 world through any means necessary and 496 00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:36,440 skipping over 497 00:20:45,650 --> 00:20:41,460 important phases of our maturation to do 498 00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:45,660 so damn the consequences what you know 499 00:20:49,070 --> 00:20:47,280 what are you thinking about there in 500 00:20:50,930 --> 00:20:49,080 terms of the macro conversation we're 501 00:20:54,049 --> 00:20:50,940 having right now I mean we're on the 502 00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:54,059 cusp of this new UAP report and all eyes 503 00:21:01,370 --> 00:20:57,600 are really on that and fixated on more 504 00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:01,380 nuts and bolts nuggets and and hopes for 505 00:21:06,430 --> 00:21:04,440 this greater disclosure of this 506 00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:06,440 underlying reality that we're not alone 507 00:21:12,289 --> 00:21:09,660 but you know stepping back from that you 508 00:21:15,770 --> 00:21:12,299 know how do you assess where we are in 509 00:21:18,409 --> 00:21:15,780 light of what we just talked about 510 00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:18,419 yeah that's probably the most important 511 00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:19,980 question and yet it's a question that's 512 00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:22,140 hardly ever talked about on UFO Twitter 513 00:21:27,529 --> 00:21:24,960 for instance or other media that we tend 514 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,539 to spend time on 515 00:21:31,789 --> 00:21:29,760 I mean even as we we talk about the 516 00:21:34,190 --> 00:21:31,799 history with the development of atomic 517 00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:34,200 weapons and and then things like bio 518 00:21:39,409 --> 00:21:37,140 weapons right and the the concern that 519 00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:39,419 some people have that you know 520 00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,400 the coronavirus was something that was 521 00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:43,200 developed in a lab right because it was 522 00:21:46,430 --> 00:21:45,120 technology that was being worked on to 523 00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:46,440 be a potential weapon in the future 524 00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,960 right or something like that or even if 525 00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:50,880 someone was defensively trying to create 526 00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:53,880 an antidote to something negative and it 527 00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,980 just went awry whatever the case 528 00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:58,080 this is still our Collective mentality 529 00:22:04,430 --> 00:22:01,020 right is that we still look across the 530 00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:04,440 pond uh you know or across a field and 531 00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,440 see somebody else behind a border a 532 00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:09,840 different nation state and we have an US 533 00:22:13,010 --> 00:22:11,460 versus them kind of mentality a very 534 00:22:15,890 --> 00:22:13,020 tribal mentality 535 00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,900 and my sense is in terms of the the 536 00:22:20,330 --> 00:22:18,000 positive elements of the UFO phenomenon 537 00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,340 that is our you know our biggest 538 00:22:24,169 --> 00:22:22,320 Achilles heel you know our most Central 539 00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:24,179 Achilles heels that we still don't think 540 00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,240 like a planetary civilization we still 541 00:22:30,830 --> 00:22:28,799 don't make decisions based on the 542 00:22:33,049 --> 00:22:30,840 benefit of the all we would do it based 543 00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:33,059 on nation states and the the latest 544 00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:35,220 edition of what a tribal kind of 545 00:22:38,590 --> 00:22:37,080 understanding means to us 546 00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:38,600 so 547 00:22:42,610 --> 00:22:41,460 historically even it's been the case and 548 00:22:45,049 --> 00:22:42,620 we've kind of talked about this before 549 00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,059 that when different non-human 550 00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,039 intelligence groups have interacted for 551 00:22:52,669 --> 00:22:49,679 instance with leaders I stay I say in 552 00:22:55,250 --> 00:22:52,679 quotes of different nations the 553 00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:55,260 Temptation has been how can we make an 554 00:22:59,210 --> 00:22:57,419 agreement an accord with this non-human 555 00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,220 intelligence that could make it such 556 00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:01,679 that we won't lose some sort of you know 557 00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:04,620 Arena Battle for the next Century right 558 00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:06,840 or the next 500 years you sometimes have 559 00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,700 these strange occurrences in history 560 00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:10,740 with very various uh military people 561 00:23:15,230 --> 00:23:13,020 have said things like that off the 562 00:23:17,870 --> 00:23:15,240 Record said things like in the United 563 00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:17,880 States will not lose a military campaign 564 00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:20,460 battle in the next you know Century or 565 00:23:25,010 --> 00:23:22,620 500 years right which is certainly 566 00:23:27,230 --> 00:23:25,020 hinting at because we have technology 567 00:23:29,690 --> 00:23:27,240 that's so next Generation that no other 568 00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:29,700 country could hope to match it on their 569 00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:32,580 own human development scale for 570 00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:34,440 centuries yet right so they're hinting 571 00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:36,780 at what kind of they've stumbled across 572 00:23:42,490 --> 00:23:40,380 but undoubtedly while we're still stuck 573 00:23:45,289 --> 00:23:42,500 in that kind of mentality 574 00:23:47,930 --> 00:23:45,299 it's going to hold back our progression 575 00:23:50,210 --> 00:23:47,940 it's going to definitely hold back the 576 00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,220 disclosure process because 577 00:23:55,310 --> 00:23:52,799 you know kind of willy-nilly the 578 00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,320 military-industrial complex will say 579 00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:57,919 you know they'll claim National Security 580 00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:00,480 everywhere you look right and so even 581 00:24:04,909 --> 00:24:02,940 now there's battles going on within 582 00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:04,919 government how much can we get away with 583 00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:07,500 not seeing with this report right how 584 00:24:12,770 --> 00:24:10,860 can we again use neuralist linguistic 585 00:24:16,010 --> 00:24:12,780 programming to release a report that 586 00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:16,020 says as little as possible while still 587 00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:19,080 technically fulfilling the Mandate from 588 00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:20,280 Congress right that's kind of where 589 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:22,140 we're at because the military-industrial 590 00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:23,640 complex wants to keep up with this for 591 00:24:28,669 --> 00:24:26,520 themselves so that they can you know 592 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:28,679 again create advantageous situations 593 00:24:35,090 --> 00:24:31,980 over adversaries and again I would just 594 00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:35,100 point out that in the in the frame of 595 00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:36,480 reference for non-human intelligence 596 00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:38,520 that's positive that's an incredibly 597 00:24:42,830 --> 00:24:41,640 barbaric uh kind of mentality yet we 598 00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:42,840 have to be honest with ourselves that's 599 00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:45,539 where we basically are right well I 600 00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:46,919 wanted to ask I mean what does it look 601 00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:49,919 like for us to 602 00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:52,559 have a different perspective on 603 00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:56,100 the phenomena that we observe one that's 604 00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:00,240 not rooted in How can I 605 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:03,360 manipulate this and and Master this to 606 00:25:08,169 --> 00:25:05,580 my own Advantage 607 00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:08,179 um what are 608 00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:10,740 to shift our perspective and look at it 609 00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:12,900 you know from different angles what are 610 00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,480 the conclusions that we might come to 611 00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:17,600 about reality itself 612 00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,400 just by 613 00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,080 thinking through some of the 614 00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:24,720 implications of The observed phenomena 615 00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,460 that in some of which that I just listed 616 00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,039 at the beginning of the show 617 00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:32,159 well we've we've talked a few times now 618 00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:34,500 about a notion like idealism 619 00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:38,039 this notion that reality is ultimately a 620 00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,340 process of mentation or a derivative of 621 00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,200 a process of mentation 622 00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:45,600 which basically means everything we see 623 00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:47,400 around us are basically thought forms 624 00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:50,220 that that all of the physicality is part 625 00:25:55,970 --> 00:25:53,100 of the illusion that has consistency 626 00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:55,980 within itself but ultimately we kind of 627 00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:59,039 live in a kind of Dreamscape and 628 00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,640 we've also talked about how 629 00:26:06,529 --> 00:26:04,799 I think several shows ago maybe a few 630 00:26:09,230 --> 00:26:06,539 months ago now before the summer we 631 00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:09,240 talked about this notion that initially 632 00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:11,159 you had this kind of one Cosmic 633 00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:13,860 intelligence and from that you have 634 00:26:18,769 --> 00:26:16,380 these disassociated altars is what 635 00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:18,779 Bernardo Castro calls them basically 636 00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:21,299 that one Cosmic intelligence splits off 637 00:26:25,810 --> 00:26:24,299 into different versions of itself 638 00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:25,820 um 639 00:26:31,789 --> 00:26:29,760 and by doing that these individual cells 640 00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:31,799 that are kind of relative can have novel 641 00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:33,900 experience which then can be contributed 642 00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:36,360 back to the cosmic intelligence so the 643 00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:40,020 entire system learns and grows and 644 00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,820 develops and evolves so that even the 645 00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:44,159 notion of you could say God evolves over 646 00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:46,500 time through these iterations of Novel 647 00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:48,299 experience 648 00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:49,380 um 649 00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:52,980 but uh uh you know an implication of 650 00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:56,159 that is that the boundaries between 651 00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:59,700 each of us and everybody else and all of 652 00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,260 the beings in the cosmos all the 653 00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:02,880 sentient life is that those boundaries 654 00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:04,860 are porous that 655 00:27:08,269 --> 00:27:06,419 um this is why telepathy and 656 00:27:10,669 --> 00:27:08,279 precognition and things like that and 657 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,679 psychokinesis are possible because 658 00:27:15,769 --> 00:27:13,200 ultimately it is all about thought forms 659 00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:15,779 it is all about a mentation process that 660 00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:17,700 when you think about that slide nine a 661 00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:19,500 lot of that is what that's getting at is 662 00:27:25,490 --> 00:27:22,380 that when you can operate on a level of 663 00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:25,500 reality where thought actually changes 664 00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:27,240 the manifestation of what looks like 665 00:27:31,370 --> 00:27:29,460 physical reality and what seems to 666 00:27:33,289 --> 00:27:31,380 penetrate it even said one of the one of 667 00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:33,299 the points was penetrate Solid Surfaces 668 00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:36,779 but even penetrating skulls right in the 669 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:39,059 terms of being able to read minds 670 00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:41,580 um control minds send thoughts things 671 00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:43,860 like that all of this is pointing 672 00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:45,240 towards the Notions we've talked about 673 00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,340 with idealism and fits really well with 674 00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:49,919 bernardo's notion of analytic idealism 675 00:27:54,190 --> 00:27:52,740 and this model he's developed where we 676 00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:54,200 are all 677 00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:57,299 disassociations of this one Cosmic 678 00:28:01,450 --> 00:27:59,700 intelligence and that's what allows for 679 00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:01,460 the poorest nature between all of us 680 00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:04,260 that ultimately our sense of selfhood is 681 00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,260 is relative and not absolute and there 682 00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,200 are porous boundaries between all of us 683 00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:11,520 and some of these others understand that 684 00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:14,220 much more than we do again which opens 685 00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:15,720 up things like the possibility of 686 00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:18,059 psychic manipulation from positive and 687 00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:20,340 negative which is part of what I believe 688 00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,220 is going on but that's the kind of 689 00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,200 reality that that the implications of 690 00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:28,320 slide 9 point towards on the irony here 691 00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:30,360 is that we like to think of ourselves as 692 00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:32,400 the masters of matter 693 00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:34,500 and the material but really we're 694 00:28:42,529 --> 00:28:38,100 actually this we're enslaved to it uh we 695 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:42,539 cannot see beyond that which we sense 696 00:28:49,549 --> 00:28:46,260 and uh it's it strikes me that so much 697 00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:49,559 of the phenomena uh what it does so well 698 00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,039 is it creates cracks in that veneer and 699 00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:55,440 exposes the deeper connections that are 700 00:29:02,330 --> 00:28:59,700 really there and when you begin to 701 00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,340 really wrestle with those implications 702 00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,279 just as you say this deeper connection 703 00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:07,679 that we really have with one another and 704 00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:11,039 and to these non-human entities all of 705 00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:14,279 the beings in the cosmos from the the 706 00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:17,700 sort of greatest in a 707 00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,279 a conglomeration of a being down to the 708 00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:22,640 the smallest instantiation 709 00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:25,260 when you when you begin to wrestle with 710 00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:28,559 that you come away with some very 711 00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:30,840 profound I think conclusions and that 712 00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:33,240 you know the things which I do 713 00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:35,340 to another 714 00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,460 being I'm really doing to myself 715 00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:40,559 and how does that change the way in 716 00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:44,820 which we live act in the world uh I 717 00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:47,640 think it it it changes it in dramatic 718 00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:51,299 ways and maybe part of one of the 719 00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:52,679 challenge one of the challenges that we 720 00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:55,200 wrestle with here with disclosure itself 721 00:30:00,130 --> 00:29:57,419 is we're not ready to have that 722 00:30:02,690 --> 00:30:00,140 conversation we're not ready to face 723 00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:02,700 that that's the that's the implication 724 00:30:10,930 --> 00:30:05,880 we would much rather continue on in our 725 00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:10,940 ways and continue to more even more 726 00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:13,559 rigidly and then bold face marker to 727 00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:15,720 find these boundaries between ourselves 728 00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:19,200 and our Nations and and kind of plug our 729 00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:21,720 ears and our eyes and say no 730 00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:24,600 we're not connected uh I I am an 731 00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:27,659 individual we are a nation state we're 732 00:30:31,850 --> 00:30:29,220 not going to have any interaction at all 733 00:30:34,430 --> 00:30:31,860 we're going to defend our people against 734 00:30:36,529 --> 00:30:34,440 your people at any cost 735 00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:36,539 even if it means the destruction of our 736 00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:39,779 entire habitat which is a very real 737 00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:42,440 threat that we seem to be facing today 738 00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:46,020 but in a in the grander cosmology uh 739 00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:47,460 we've talked about this a good bit 740 00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:50,340 tonight as well before the show 741 00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:52,440 um you know what kind of damage are we 742 00:30:57,649 --> 00:30:54,840 doing am I perpetuating that kind of 743 00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:59,750 yeah it's it's a really important 744 00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:01,020 question 745 00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:01,919 um 746 00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,760 I also want to be cautious to not 747 00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:07,559 make people think that I think the 748 00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:08,640 answer is 749 00:31:12,529 --> 00:31:11,100 plain and obvious and just sitting in 750 00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:12,539 front of us and we just need to act on 751 00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:15,179 it because 752 00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:16,980 this is where we really get into Nuance 753 00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:20,520 which we tend to like on this show 754 00:31:24,049 --> 00:31:21,960 um 755 00:31:26,269 --> 00:31:24,059 by the way I think when we chose the 756 00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,279 title liminal frames we had no idea how 757 00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:28,320 relevant and how apt that would end up 758 00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,020 being you know I mean it's the way that 759 00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:34,320 my understanding of the phenomenon has 760 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:37,020 shaped and been informed by and changed 761 00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:40,020 my perspective on human history and the 762 00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:42,120 development of civilization and the 763 00:31:46,190 --> 00:31:43,740 origins of religion and everything in 764 00:31:48,409 --> 00:31:46,200 our meeting structures limo frames 765 00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,419 couldn't be you know it's just a perfect 766 00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:49,440 title 767 00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,059 but 768 00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:52,799 you know one of the things we talked 769 00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:58,010 for people who are not familiar there's 770 00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:01,380 this group this Infamous group that are 771 00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:03,000 within U.S government known as the 772 00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,059 Collins Elite and they are a group who 773 00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:08,159 are convinced that the evidence suggests 774 00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:10,200 that 775 00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:13,380 a large segment of the ufoil phenomenon 776 00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:16,140 anyway is of a negative sort and it's 777 00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:18,899 spiritual in nature and its desires to 778 00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:21,480 deceive humanity and to even pay 779 00:32:25,789 --> 00:32:23,580 attention to it to acknowledge its 780 00:32:29,710 --> 00:32:25,799 existence is to give it a foot in the 781 00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:29,720 door that can only go into bad places 782 00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:32,760 can only result in bad outcomes for 783 00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,399 Humanity and so they've used that 784 00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,620 understanding to justify 785 00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:39,600 keeping this under wraps and part of 786 00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:41,640 what I have no doubt is slowing the 787 00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:43,500 process of disclosure even now as we 788 00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:45,960 await this report is there are elements 789 00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:48,299 that are convinced to the core of their 790 00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,700 being that it is not a good idea to 791 00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:52,799 acknowledge this whatsoever they will 792 00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,320 perhaps even to the death some of them 793 00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:58,320 do their darndest to prevent that from 794 00:33:01,850 --> 00:32:59,580 happening because they are convinced 795 00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:01,860 that it's the the only way that can go 796 00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:04,140 is the demise of our civilization and 797 00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:04,980 even 798 00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:07,679 Eternal damnation for human beings now 799 00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:09,539 of course 800 00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:11,039 as I said you before we went on the show 801 00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,880 I think what's strange about their 802 00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:16,320 situation is that I think they've got 803 00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:17,880 some of the initial 804 00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:20,100 data right but I think it's their 805 00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:22,860 interpretation that really 806 00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:23,940 um 807 00:33:27,529 --> 00:33:25,980 pushes that in one direction that could 808 00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:27,539 go in numerous directions and is more 809 00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:28,860 complicated than they're willing to 810 00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:30,840 accept although Again part of the 811 00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,059 challenge is when you have a world view 812 00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,039 you often are blind to the limitations 813 00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,200 of your world view so they're not I'm 814 00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:38,960 not suggesting they are 815 00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,740 being negative or domineering 816 00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,480 in their actions I understand some 817 00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,279 people are thinking what right do they 818 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,960 have to make this decision for all of us 819 00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,880 and that's a fair point that's not 820 00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,799 usually how democracies work 821 00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:54,960 but on the other hand these people in 822 00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,720 their defense really do believe this now 823 00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,460 you can be sincere and be sincerely 824 00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:01,200 wrong that's right and I think they are 825 00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:02,399 in this case 826 00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:05,340 but that but on 827 00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:08,220 on the other hand while I don't think 828 00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:11,220 their answer is the correct one I also 829 00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:12,899 recognize that 830 00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:14,820 you can't just 831 00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:17,899 broadcast these 832 00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:21,260 Foundation level 833 00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:24,960 Revelations to the masses overnight and 834 00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:27,599 not expect turmoil not expect massive 835 00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:30,899 disruption and so that's why I think you 836 00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:32,820 partly have seen evidence and people 837 00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:34,619 like Grand Canyon Cameron have talked 838 00:34:39,609 --> 00:34:37,200 about this manage disclosure that over 839 00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:39,619 decades they've been slowly leaking this 840 00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:41,700 acclimatizing the public to it so that 841 00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,000 when they do eventually talk about it 842 00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,800 um it's less of a shock and there's less 843 00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,720 shock and awe because of that 844 00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:50,639 but all that is to say 845 00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,740 while everything I said is true about we 846 00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:55,440 do tend to in our current situation 847 00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:57,720 think about how can we militarize this 848 00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:00,180 how can we use this to dominate 849 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,180 our enemies setting quotes 850 00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,280 on the other hand 851 00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:08,160 there are some people who are 852 00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:10,500 very early in their evolution let's say 853 00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:11,820 it that way it's not about being people 854 00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:13,320 being evil 855 00:35:17,569 --> 00:35:15,180 it's also not about these others being 856 00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,579 evil it's about level of progression and 857 00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:19,680 Consciousness there are some people in 858 00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:22,020 the world some human beings that still 859 00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,640 think with kind of a warlord kind of 860 00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:26,160 mentality if you don't if your gang 861 00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,720 doesn't take over this neighborhood mine 862 00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:30,000 will right and and that happens on a 863 00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:31,560 nation-state scale sometimes we think 864 00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:34,880 about Vladimir Putin so 865 00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:37,020 knowing people like that are still in 866 00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:38,400 the world and knowing some of them have 867 00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:40,619 immense power and that's that's on us 868 00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:42,060 that we've given people like that power 869 00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:44,700 but because of that there are real 870 00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,619 there's a real gravity to this 871 00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,960 conversation you know we it is not 872 00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:50,640 simple answers I know some people are 873 00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:52,020 convinced that 874 00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,800 come on disclosure yesterday please and 875 00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:57,599 um I definitely want us to move towards 876 00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:59,640 disclosure but I also recognize to your 877 00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:00,780 earlier point 878 00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:03,000 that we have to really think about this 879 00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,260 entire matter 880 00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,480 within the larger framework of 881 00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:09,119 Consciousness development as individuals 882 00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:11,160 and as a collective civilization because 883 00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:13,560 that's the only way we can move forward 884 00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,480 in a positive way ultimately when it 885 00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:17,040 comes to the revelations that are coming 886 00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,140 with this phenomenon 887 00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:21,599 right and we've talked about before that 888 00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:23,339 there really aren't 889 00:36:27,950 --> 00:36:26,460 we can't take shortcuts 890 00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:27,960 and 891 00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:30,960 in in some respects even though I agree 892 00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:34,020 with you that um 893 00:36:37,849 --> 00:36:36,599 some of the reasons why things have been 894 00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:37,859 kept secret 895 00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,040 may not be the right reasons on the 896 00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:43,680 other hand I think about really where we 897 00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,240 are as a society 898 00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,560 and 899 00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:49,200 the conclusions we may come to 900 00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:51,300 even with some of the more simplistic 901 00:36:56,569 --> 00:36:54,000 Revelations that may come 902 00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:56,579 are we 903 00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:58,680 will that Aid our development or will it 904 00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:01,440 hinder it are we in other words are we 905 00:37:07,329 --> 00:37:04,740 on a path already as a civilization that 906 00:37:11,569 --> 00:37:07,339 is so 907 00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:11,579 perverted so distorted from an ability 908 00:37:18,109 --> 00:37:15,000 to mature that that this kind of 909 00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:18,119 knowledge it it won't catalyze the 910 00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:20,579 change that we need to see it will only 911 00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:24,359 further entrench Us in uh some some very 912 00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:28,980 powerful and and negative ways uh in in 913 00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:30,839 the habits that we've developed and 914 00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:33,480 nurtured for so long 915 00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:34,740 um we 916 00:37:37,609 --> 00:37:36,300 and we've talked about this as well 917 00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:37,619 we're at this 918 00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:40,500 sort of juncture in our in our modern 919 00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,220 world where we're looking for meaning uh 920 00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:46,079 we feel an absence of meaning let's put 921 00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:48,119 it that way and so many of our 922 00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:51,960 institutions we've lost faith in uh in 923 00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:54,680 their purpose uh the the lack of trust 924 00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:58,020 in our leadership seems to be a pretty 925 00:38:01,609 --> 00:38:00,180 common theme no matter what party you 926 00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,619 are a part of 927 00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,119 and 928 00:38:11,050 --> 00:38:05,839 you know that points in the direction 929 00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:11,060 that we we've lost these kind of deeper 930 00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,619 modes of understanding and of being in 931 00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:16,079 the world that nurture us on an 932 00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,780 individual and societal level 933 00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:20,640 you know we we've had a tremendous 934 00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,700 advances in our understanding of the 935 00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:25,200 material world 936 00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:27,380 but at what cost 937 00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,160 and to continue to pursue 938 00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:33,599 technology for Technology's sake or 939 00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,599 knowledge for knowledge's sake all the 940 00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,119 while ignoring 941 00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:41,760 the trauma that we are inflicting on 942 00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:44,820 ourselves and our successive Generations 943 00:38:50,890 --> 00:38:48,480 By ignoring who we are on a fundamental 944 00:38:54,109 --> 00:38:50,900 level 945 00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,119 we can't help but do real damage there 946 00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:55,920 and I think about a lot of the 947 00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:57,780 encounters that we hear about from the 948 00:39:02,630 --> 00:38:59,640 experience or community 949 00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:02,640 and uh from various different entity 950 00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:05,220 encounters and it's a it's a mixed bag 951 00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:07,079 there as well some of those encounters 952 00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:09,960 seem to be very instructional seem to be 953 00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,820 very cautionary you know you should 954 00:39:16,210 --> 00:39:14,240 focus on this and and avoid doing that 955 00:39:20,770 --> 00:39:16,220 others are 956 00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:20,780 to be blunt very exploitative they are 957 00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,400 the kinds of behavior that you hear 958 00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:26,160 about from some of the experiences match 959 00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:28,980 the things that we would do if we had 960 00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:31,380 the capability that these beings have 961 00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:33,420 and I think when you when you step back 962 00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:35,339 and you look at it in the totality there 963 00:39:44,089 --> 00:39:39,540 you you it's obvious that that the the 964 00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:44,099 sort of multiple uh the grand diversity 965 00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:46,140 of beings that exist in the universe and 966 00:39:50,750 --> 00:39:48,540 the cosmos that that there are some that 967 00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:50,760 are just like us but just have abilities 968 00:39:55,730 --> 00:39:53,460 that we don't have and there are some 969 00:39:58,370 --> 00:39:55,740 that have far transcended where we are 970 00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:58,380 even our most enlightened uh humans that 971 00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:00,420 we we might all point to and say look at 972 00:40:06,290 --> 00:40:03,900 this person as a as the Pinnacle of 973 00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:06,300 virtue of human virtue you know that 974 00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:09,480 they far exceed that individual and so 975 00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:11,880 it I get the very real sense that 976 00:40:18,410 --> 00:40:14,880 there's a lot at stake and that we are 977 00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:18,420 in a kind of training ground if you will 978 00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:21,180 um and we're in many cases just 979 00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,920 completely missing the Met message that 980 00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,000 we receive 981 00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:25,920 whether it's coming from a phenomenal 982 00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:28,440 Source or not 983 00:40:32,810 --> 00:40:30,359 yeah it's as we continue this 984 00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:32,820 conversation I'm just being made ever 985 00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:35,820 more aware of how nuanced it is or how 986 00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:38,700 much Nuance is necessary because I think 987 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,380 no matter what direction we go here 988 00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:41,760 we're going to defend some group or 989 00:40:45,130 --> 00:40:44,220 another you know there are there are 990 00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:45,140 some 991 00:40:49,609 --> 00:40:47,400 well-meaning people so we we have on the 992 00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,619 one hand like the Collins Elite types 993 00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,839 who have a background in fundamentalist 994 00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,760 Christianity or they were LED in that 995 00:40:57,069 --> 00:40:55,920 direction by colleagues and what they 996 00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,079 were seeing 997 00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,760 to interpret it in a certain way and 998 00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:01,680 largely a negative way that these are 999 00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:04,920 nefarious interdimensional beings better 1000 00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,020 known as demons in Christian Theology 1001 00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,119 and you do not nothing good comes from 1002 00:41:13,490 --> 00:41:11,280 dealing with them right 1003 00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:13,500 on the other hand 1004 00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:15,000 um 1005 00:41:19,609 --> 00:41:18,119 you have some groups in ufology you know 1006 00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:19,619 following kind of a Stephen Greer kind 1007 00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:21,960 of mentality who believe there can be no 1008 00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:24,660 such thing as a negative alien or a less 1009 00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:28,320 than benevolent alien that they uh 1010 00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:31,740 believe that we are the anomaly in terms 1011 00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:33,660 of being a destructive race but all 1012 00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:36,660 these ET races are coming with messages 1013 00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:38,940 of love and Brotherhood and Universal 1014 00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:41,579 you know solidarity they can do no wrong 1015 00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:45,900 exactly and and both of those 1016 00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,359 takes are 1017 00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,200 lacking in Nuance I would suggest and 1018 00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:53,760 just as we would not pick a certain 1019 00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:55,500 group of people 1020 00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:58,800 I don't know Thai people or Canadians or 1021 00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,500 Australians you know or whatever we 1022 00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:03,839 wouldn't say ah there's nothing bad to 1023 00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,220 say about Australians you know they're 1024 00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:06,720 all good every single one I ever met I 1025 00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:08,280 mean I don't believe you if you tell me 1026 00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:10,320 you met an Australian who was rude I 1027 00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,579 just don't think it's possible they are 1028 00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:13,440 pretty great you know it's that kind of 1029 00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:15,420 thing like we laugh at that because we 1030 00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:18,060 realize Australians are a mix of people 1031 00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:22,500 just like we are as Americans and uh as 1032 00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:25,079 human beings and what I'm saying is you 1033 00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,300 also find that in different ET species 1034 00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,760 and the 1035 00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,920 um the process of Consciousness 1036 00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:33,119 development 1037 00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,680 again 1038 00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:36,960 happens across the board for all of 1039 00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:38,820 these different groups whether you think 1040 00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:40,619 about them in terms of extraterrestrial 1041 00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,300 or interdimensional or some combination 1042 00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:43,760 of the two 1043 00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:47,640 and therefore the expectation I think 1044 00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:49,140 you should go with 1045 00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:50,700 which I think is later supported by 1046 00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:52,680 evidence by the way in some of the data 1047 00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:54,060 you just talked about some people having 1048 00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:56,460 very benevolent encounters some people 1049 00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:58,200 having encounters that seem very 1050 00:43:01,790 --> 00:42:59,880 exploitative like you said 1051 00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:01,800 you know like the writing's on the wall 1052 00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:04,619 there rather than trying to exclude one 1053 00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:05,940 part of the data because it doesn't fit 1054 00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:09,300 with your your preferred notion 1055 00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,880 rather look at the data and say what is 1056 00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,680 this really suggesting 1057 00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:15,359 and I think it's suggesting there's 1058 00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,859 groups of different levels of 1059 00:43:22,609 --> 00:43:19,140 development some are more again it's not 1060 00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:22,619 about good versus evil it's about less 1061 00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:26,099 developed versus more developed and 1062 00:43:29,089 --> 00:43:27,420 um 1063 00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,099 that really explains what's going on 1064 00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,440 here but again as you can imagine that 1065 00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:33,359 really makes complicated this matter 1066 00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:36,780 because for those who believe that come 1067 00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:38,099 on let's have disclosure yesterday 1068 00:43:43,210 --> 00:43:40,500 because once these ones are interacting 1069 00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:43,220 with us they'll give us free energy 1070 00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:45,960 they'll resolve climate change you know 1071 00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,160 they'll reverse all these negative 1072 00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:48,720 things that we've produced you know over 1073 00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:52,079 the last century but that assumes of 1074 00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,700 course that all you'll open up the door 1075 00:43:58,370 --> 00:43:55,680 to is the positive ones and again 1076 00:43:59,809 --> 00:43:58,380 there's real question about that so 1077 00:44:01,550 --> 00:43:59,819 based on what we're seeing already with 1078 00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:01,560 experiencer accounts so that's at least 1079 00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:04,140 a cautionary tale that I think both of 1080 00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,819 those groups and there's there's other 1081 00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:06,960 groups of course too but just even 1082 00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:09,240 painting those two initial ones I think 1083 00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,920 it's a cautionary tale that either of 1084 00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,960 those sort of black and white kind of 1085 00:44:17,410 --> 00:44:15,359 World Views don't play well with the 1086 00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:17,420 data and don't 1087 00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,460 promise very positive outcomes for us 1088 00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,839 either way I think we need something 1089 00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:23,359 more nuanced 1090 00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:26,280 and the 1091 00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:29,220 the geopolitical stage beyond the Earth 1092 00:44:34,609 --> 00:44:31,740 is in some ways just as complex as the 1093 00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:34,619 one within the borders of the earth so 1094 00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:36,180 that's something I think people should 1095 00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:42,290 I'm sensitive to a lot of our listeners 1096 00:44:47,569 --> 00:44:44,220 who might be really frustrated by this 1097 00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:47,579 because uh and I can think about my own 1098 00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:49,560 self on the journey that I've been here 1099 00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:51,900 I've been on here for for these few 1100 00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:52,740 years 1101 00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:55,560 uh 1102 00:44:59,710 --> 00:44:58,020 none of these sound like easy answers 1103 00:45:04,370 --> 00:44:59,720 and 1104 00:45:07,069 --> 00:45:04,380 folks that 1105 00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:07,079 don't want to hear that that they would 1106 00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,140 rather it just be give us the craft give 1107 00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:13,200 us the technology let's be welcomed into 1108 00:45:20,329 --> 00:45:16,800 uh the you know Cosmic neighborhood and 1109 00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:20,339 all will be well because in their minds 1110 00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,480 the truth is is obscured from us and uh 1111 00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:26,880 and that is the truth 1112 00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:29,099 um and the truth quite frankly is as it 1113 00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:31,500 always often is far more complex than 1114 00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:35,160 that and the introduction of uh you know 1115 00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:38,339 the free energy or uh revolutionary 1116 00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:42,480 Transportation or reverse aging uh or 1117 00:45:48,109 --> 00:45:45,000 whatever insert your technology Miracle 1118 00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:48,119 of choice uh if you think about that 1119 00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,140 those things as amazing as they would be 1120 00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:54,240 in and of themselves they don't solve 1121 00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:56,040 any of our core problems 1122 00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:57,960 if anything they just create more 1123 00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,880 problems at least for for us where we 1124 00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:00,960 are right now 1125 00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:03,240 and and here's where I will Echo what 1126 00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,560 you said earlier we might get a little 1127 00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,720 bit uncomfortable with some of our our 1128 00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:07,920 audience 1129 00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:10,740 because I recognize that a lot of what 1130 00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:13,020 we're talking about in in our 1131 00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:15,900 conversation is is quite frankly deeply 1132 00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:20,640 spiritual uh and uh and our culture has 1133 00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:22,859 done a very good job for for a long time 1134 00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:26,760 now uh really coming down hard on 1135 00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,480 spirituality uh and and look I I totally 1136 00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:33,359 understand I've been a part of that uh I 1137 00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:36,180 as many of you know I grew up in a 1138 00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:38,460 spiritual home and had a spiritual 1139 00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:41,099 practice for half of my life and then I 1140 00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:43,319 rejected it a wholesale for many many 1141 00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:46,619 years and would be quick to jump on 1142 00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,380 those who would share a spiritual 1143 00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,079 experience or view the world through a 1144 00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,839 traditional spiritual perspective and 1145 00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,119 just write it all off as a you know 1146 00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,760 Fantastical thinking or uh you know 1147 00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,800 being delusionary 1148 00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:03,359 and 1149 00:47:09,650 --> 00:47:07,380 um 1150 00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:09,660 what a jerk 1151 00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:11,700 you know what what kind of person does 1152 00:47:16,970 --> 00:47:14,760 that and and treats another human being 1153 00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:16,980 and their experience and their their 1154 00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:18,420 world view 1155 00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,440 in that way uh and now that I have begun 1156 00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:25,680 to take it seriously again 1157 00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:27,540 ironically through the lens of the 1158 00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,540 phenomena which as many people I think 1159 00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:32,400 Who start on this journey it starts out 1160 00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:36,359 as this nuts and bolts scientism you 1161 00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:37,619 know ooh there's this neat thing 1162 00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:38,760 happening that we just need to 1163 00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,440 understand and it's going to add to our 1164 00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:43,200 knowledge uh where I'm where I have 1165 00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,920 landed is in a in a strange place a 1166 00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:48,720 place that is familiar to me in some 1167 00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:51,960 respects but also very alien uh in in 1168 00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,140 many others and so I you know I struggle 1169 00:48:00,829 --> 00:47:57,359 with how to 1170 00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:00,839 do the work of translating uh these 1171 00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:04,380 insights to an audience that is not 1172 00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,599 really ready or wanting to hear it and 1173 00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:08,880 and I and and I I want to recognize I 1174 00:48:13,250 --> 00:48:11,460 put myself in that audience uh I'm in 1175 00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:13,260 that audience I have a difficult time 1176 00:48:19,849 --> 00:48:17,099 with it on the one hand I I it is 1177 00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:19,859 familiar to me and it's exciting and it 1178 00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:22,380 kind of it Taps into this part of myself 1179 00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:24,660 that I've ignored for a very long time 1180 00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:27,240 on the other hand I know how it sounds 1181 00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:29,940 you know I I'm just as a part of the 1182 00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:33,060 culture as many of our listeners are and 1183 00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,920 I think through all of the kinds of 1184 00:48:38,329 --> 00:48:36,480 counter arguments that they're thinking 1185 00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,339 through when we begin to talk about 1186 00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:41,280 things in this way and so you know 1187 00:48:47,569 --> 00:48:45,720 Darren how do you where can we begin in 1188 00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:47,579 you know sort of 1189 00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:50,400 writing this imbalance that we have in 1190 00:48:57,470 --> 00:48:54,240 our in our world and I think giving 1191 00:48:59,569 --> 00:48:57,480 spirituality a healthy place and a 1192 00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,579 better understanding of of the grand 1193 00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:01,920 scheme of reality 1194 00:49:05,630 --> 00:49:03,900 yeah it's a really key question and I 1195 00:49:07,309 --> 00:49:05,640 think it would be good for us to unpack 1196 00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,319 that a bit and go back and forth a bit 1197 00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:08,880 on this because 1198 00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,440 I think a lot of times people have 1199 00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,000 Notions of what we mean when we say 1200 00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:14,160 spirituality or we bring up religion or 1201 00:49:16,970 --> 00:49:15,780 something and 1202 00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:16,980 um there are still some people who don't 1203 00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:18,300 understand how that has anything to do 1204 00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:21,240 with aliens and UFOs and we have to 1205 00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:22,560 break it down 1206 00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:24,300 but I think one way I would sort of 1207 00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,040 summarize what you're pointing towards 1208 00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:28,380 there is that 1209 00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:31,740 the solution is not technology 1210 00:49:37,309 --> 00:49:35,220 the solution is not the introduction of 1211 00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:37,319 powerful allies 1212 00:49:43,069 --> 00:49:40,980 the solution is always in Consciousness 1213 00:49:44,809 --> 00:49:43,079 and 1214 00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:44,819 in the same way that when we learned how 1215 00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:46,619 to split the atom we turned it into a 1216 00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,800 bomb that could kill Millions because 1217 00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:52,079 that's what our Consciousness dictated 1218 00:49:56,809 --> 00:49:54,060 at that time 1219 00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,819 if we get given even more powerful 1220 00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,520 Technologies without the requisite 1221 00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:02,160 Consciousness stage to do good things 1222 00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:04,920 with it the same thing will happen and 1223 00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:07,319 my understanding from the intelligences 1224 00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:09,180 I've been in contact with which are the 1225 00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,640 benevolent ones 1226 00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,920 um they are not interested in in having 1227 00:50:18,770 --> 00:50:15,599 a nanny state where they basically have 1228 00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:18,780 to become an occupying Force to hold our 1229 00:50:22,849 --> 00:50:20,280 hands while we deal with these 1230 00:50:24,109 --> 00:50:22,859 incredibly powerful Technologies and 1231 00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:24,119 make sure that we don't destroy 1232 00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:25,560 ourselves while doing good things with 1233 00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,260 them that's not what they're in the 1234 00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,960 business of doing because the entire 1235 00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:32,880 Enterprise I would suggest to you and we 1236 00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:33,960 talked about this before we went on the 1237 00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:35,099 Air Tonight 1238 00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:38,160 is that the point of the entire you know 1239 00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:39,900 the point of being here in this 1240 00:50:44,809 --> 00:50:42,359 Incarnation both as individuals and as a 1241 00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,819 collective civilization is to wake up 1242 00:50:49,069 --> 00:50:47,280 and to grow up and waking up to 1243 00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:49,079 recognize and we are more than the 1244 00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:51,240 bodies that are around for a few decades 1245 00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:52,980 and then decompose 1246 00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,079 and that we are more connected to each 1247 00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:57,599 other than than seems sometimes the case 1248 00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:59,579 based on the way our culture treats 1249 00:51:04,190 --> 00:51:01,740 people 1250 00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:04,200 so what we need to focus on is a 1251 00:51:08,329 --> 00:51:05,760 step-by-step development in 1252 00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:08,339 Consciousness that means it'll be 1253 00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:09,480 different for different people and 1254 00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:11,579 different even for different cultural 1255 00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:13,079 groups around the world we've talked 1256 00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:15,480 before about how there are numerous 1257 00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:18,180 different stages of Consciousness online 1258 00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:20,040 in the world right now even within our 1259 00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:22,260 own country there's three major 1260 00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,359 different sort of Developmental stages 1261 00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:27,359 online at the same time which means I 1262 00:51:31,450 --> 00:51:29,460 will again remind people it means that 1263 00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:31,460 they see the world effectively different 1264 00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:34,680 and some people at a and again I've 1265 00:51:38,030 --> 00:51:36,119 pointed this up before too it's called 1266 00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:38,040 the pre-trans policy 1267 00:51:42,589 --> 00:51:40,740 someone who's at a less evolved 1268 00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:42,599 Consciousness stage we'll look at some 1269 00:51:46,849 --> 00:51:44,760 of the what we're talking about and I 1270 00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:46,859 think it sounds ridiculous and like 1271 00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,440 magical thinking again because for them 1272 00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:50,880 it's beyond the ceiling of their 1273 00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,619 Consciousness so they go to the next 1274 00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:55,200 level down on the Consciousness spiral 1275 00:51:59,390 --> 00:51:56,940 and to them it sounds a lot like magical 1276 00:52:01,730 --> 00:51:59,400 thinking right that we're just leading 1277 00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:01,740 on you know the sun gods or something to 1278 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:04,680 save us right kind of thinking again 1279 00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,760 um so like you said no easy answers and 1280 00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:10,800 it has to be step by step but we do have 1281 00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:13,440 to start we have to start somewhere and 1282 00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:15,240 we have to recognize I think When the 1283 00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:17,700 UFO phenomenon that means that that also 1284 00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:19,980 is a complex situation involving 1285 00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:22,440 multiple Consciousness stages then we 1286 00:52:27,049 --> 00:52:24,300 need to do a good job of discerning we 1287 00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:27,059 need to do a better job of discerning 1288 00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:28,680 the motivations of these different 1289 00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:32,040 groups as I pointed out to you my 1290 00:52:34,990 --> 00:52:33,420 understanding is that some of the most 1291 00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,000 benevolent groups some of the most 1292 00:52:39,970 --> 00:52:37,680 evolved groups are also the ones that 1293 00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:39,980 are most concerned about not 1294 00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,900 biasing our future by helping us to 1295 00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:44,640 really they because they want us to 1296 00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:46,859 learn the lessons that really matter 1297 00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:48,420 they don't want to just come in and 1298 00:52:55,069 --> 00:52:51,960 solve problems because this iteration is 1299 00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:55,079 not the ultimate end game it's what 1300 00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,000 happens to our souls if you will it 1301 00:53:01,250 --> 00:52:59,040 happens to the part of us that never 1302 00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,260 dies but just reiterates 1303 00:53:05,089 --> 00:53:03,599 and what happens to the planetary 1304 00:53:08,030 --> 00:53:05,099 Consciousness that we are a part of 1305 00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:08,040 because again in a non-dual sense we are 1306 00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:09,960 all connected to each other how can we 1307 00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:11,579 grow up as a collective and as 1308 00:53:15,890 --> 00:53:13,619 individuals that's what the most 1309 00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:15,900 benevolent ones are interested in 1310 00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:17,640 some of the less benevolent wines are 1311 00:53:23,329 --> 00:53:21,180 more interested in trying to further 1312 00:53:25,069 --> 00:53:23,339 um less than Universal aims because they 1313 00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:25,079 themselves are not yet at that level of 1314 00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:27,180 Consciousness and so we need to be very 1315 00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,460 wary of groups that are promising 1316 00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:31,920 certain kinds of things but at what cost 1317 00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,720 and at what price and or what are we 1318 00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,720 exchanging to get that kind of deal and 1319 00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,160 we've talked before about even 1320 00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:40,079 administrations who have perhaps made 1321 00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:42,599 Accords with various groups of others 1322 00:53:47,569 --> 00:53:44,760 that allowed for things like abductions 1323 00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:47,579 of citizens in exchange for technology 1324 00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:49,140 that's the kind of Accord that's been 1325 00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:50,700 made in the past 1326 00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:53,880 so again this points to fundamentally a 1327 00:53:58,609 --> 00:53:56,040 problem in Consciousness more than about 1328 00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:58,619 technology or anything else 1329 00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,160 are there any uh signs of encouragement 1330 00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,800 that we can look at and say hey this is 1331 00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,440 a good development because you know 1332 00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,839 quite frankly I'm looking at the 1333 00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:11,760 governments and their handling of this 1334 00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:14,339 topic and I understand that they may 1335 00:54:19,309 --> 00:54:17,700 have done certain things for good reason 1336 00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:19,319 but I look at where we are with that 1337 00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:21,240 conversation and where we are as a 1338 00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:24,180 society I I'm struggling to find some 1339 00:54:30,670 --> 00:54:27,720 real glimmers of Hope here that there 1340 00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:32,750 individuals or leaders having the 1341 00:54:37,930 --> 00:54:35,460 conversation that needs to be had about 1342 00:54:41,150 --> 00:54:37,940 what is really happening 1343 00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:41,160 and and the fact that we're 1344 00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:42,900 and really just kind of beginning to 1345 00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:44,520 throw in the police in our in a public 1346 00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:47,220 way we're throwing our science at it you 1347 00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:49,800 know through this NASA study and uh 1348 00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:51,480 through some of the individuals that are 1349 00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,420 involved with the UAP task force you 1350 00:54:59,809 --> 00:54:57,359 don't really see a lot of uh individuals 1351 00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,819 at least not in in the public Realm 1352 00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:02,480 who come from other disciplines 1353 00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:05,700 who might be inclined to look at this 1354 00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,720 and promote an understanding that is uh 1355 00:55:15,010 --> 00:55:11,760 that goes beyond you know scientific 1356 00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:15,020 exploitation of Technology 1357 00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:17,700 are there any glimmers of hope that you 1358 00:55:22,970 --> 00:55:21,359 see and if not uh to me then that the 1359 00:55:25,690 --> 00:55:22,980 conclusion I would come to is it's kind 1360 00:55:29,569 --> 00:55:25,700 of up to us at the individual level 1361 00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:29,579 or a more local level to be the change 1362 00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:32,280 that needs to take place and and to take 1363 00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,000 charge of our own development and not 1364 00:55:42,530 --> 00:55:39,599 lean on you know somebody else to kind 1365 00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:42,540 of solve our problems for us and and 1366 00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,000 quite frankly that's uh you know a big 1367 00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:47,520 part of many spiritual teachings 1368 00:55:53,049 --> 00:55:50,460 throughout history it's it's the journey 1369 00:55:56,809 --> 00:55:53,059 that we all have to take in our lifetime 1370 00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:56,819 of of maturing and gaining wit wisdom 1371 00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:58,859 and how we treat one another these are 1372 00:56:03,170 --> 00:56:01,380 not things that the state and solve so 1373 00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:03,180 how do you think about this and do you 1374 00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:06,540 see any areas of optimism here 1375 00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:09,180 that's also a huge question which we 1376 00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:11,220 could spend good luck with that seven 1377 00:56:15,290 --> 00:56:13,800 months unpacking yeah and we talked 1378 00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:15,300 about some of the implications before we 1379 00:56:18,829 --> 00:56:16,920 went on the air there's a few different 1380 00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:18,839 directions I want to go with that 1381 00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:19,440 um 1382 00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,720 one in terms of you know what glimmers 1383 00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:23,280 of Hope are there well I would say this 1384 00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:25,260 I would say that 1385 00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:26,280 um 1386 00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:28,440 in the same way I've been impacted with 1387 00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,300 a positive interaction with some of 1388 00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:31,920 these intelligences 1389 00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:34,920 and it's helped reframe my understanding 1390 00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:37,619 it's helped me wake up to a larger 1391 00:56:43,069 --> 00:56:39,900 reality that extends Beyond this 1392 00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:43,079 iteration and this material existence 1393 00:56:46,190 --> 00:56:44,700 that looks material and physical and 1394 00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:46,200 solid but is actually again more of a 1395 00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,540 Dreamscape kind of thing 1396 00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:50,640 um there there are many people there 1397 00:56:55,569 --> 00:56:53,700 being woken up in similar ways and I'm 1398 00:56:59,390 --> 00:56:55,579 contacted pretty regularly 1399 00:57:01,849 --> 00:56:59,400 because of my podcast by people who are 1400 00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:01,859 on the same kind of trajectory and have 1401 00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:04,440 felt almost like activated that when 1402 00:57:07,849 --> 00:57:06,420 they heard my voice they said I feel 1403 00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,859 like I'm supposed to get in a hold of 1404 00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:10,079 this person and maybe somehow be 1405 00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:11,520 involved in something they're involved 1406 00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:12,900 in in the future and so there actually 1407 00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:15,780 are you know movements underway I've 1408 00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,400 told you about some of them 1409 00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:19,680 um you know to to hopefully manifest 1410 00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,780 some of this in some practical ways not 1411 00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:24,240 just be all wishful thinking but begin 1412 00:57:30,049 --> 00:57:27,300 to actually model ways that human beings 1413 00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,059 together could live differently and 1414 00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:32,640 prioritize differently 1415 00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:34,380 um 1416 00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:36,540 I think also we talked before we went on 1417 00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,980 the air about something called spiritual 1418 00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:39,599 bypass that's something we have to be 1419 00:57:43,309 --> 00:57:41,700 aware of too is that 1420 00:57:44,930 --> 00:57:43,319 um 1421 00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,940 you brought up a very good point that 1422 00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,040 you know how do we keep that sort of 1423 00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:49,920 bigger picture in mind well not at the 1424 00:57:55,730 --> 00:57:51,680 same time you know 1425 00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,740 undermining or downplaying or belittling 1426 00:57:58,849 --> 00:57:57,599 the very real things we need to be 1427 00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:58,859 concerned about you know with our 1428 00:58:03,170 --> 00:58:01,680 families and what's going on in the 1429 00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,180 environment things that are happening in 1430 00:58:07,490 --> 00:58:05,520 this iteration and I think the balance 1431 00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:07,500 as I often try to say is to toggle 1432 00:58:12,049 --> 00:58:10,140 between the two I think having both the 1433 00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:12,059 relative and an absolute View and being 1434 00:58:16,970 --> 00:58:13,980 able to toggle between the two and see 1435 00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:16,980 how they relate really matters in the 1436 00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:20,280 same way that Donald Hoffman says 1437 00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:22,440 he doesn't jump in front of a train not 1438 00:58:26,210 --> 00:58:23,819 because he takes the train literally 1439 00:58:28,549 --> 00:58:26,220 there actually is no train right 1440 00:58:31,010 --> 00:58:28,559 but because that signifies something 1441 00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:31,020 that is real that it's it's 1442 00:58:34,490 --> 00:58:32,760 um it's significant even though it's not 1443 00:58:35,870 --> 00:58:34,500 literally there 1444 00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:35,880 um and there will be real implications 1445 00:58:41,329 --> 00:58:38,700 in the same way the things we do even if 1446 00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:41,339 this is a Dreamscape the things we do 1447 00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:44,460 here have real implications on what we 1448 00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:46,500 take with us both as a collective 1449 00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:49,260 culture a kind of you know Collective 1450 00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,319 mind and as individuals so it all plays 1451 00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:54,960 together I think the freedom is that it 1452 00:58:58,490 --> 00:58:57,119 allows us to not be completely caught up 1453 00:59:00,530 --> 00:58:58,500 in what happens in this iteration 1454 00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,540 because there will always be another one 1455 00:59:04,849 --> 00:59:02,400 and what matters most of all is the 1456 00:59:07,069 --> 00:59:04,859 lessons we learn in this one but ideally 1457 00:59:09,470 --> 00:59:07,079 we want to work on both levels that we 1458 00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:09,480 want to make decisions that will help 1459 00:59:13,609 --> 00:59:11,880 the here and now and the people around 1460 00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,619 us the animals around us the environment 1461 00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:14,880 around us 1462 00:59:19,309 --> 00:59:16,920 but also that are based on principles 1463 00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:19,319 that will help evolve our souls and that 1464 00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:20,640 we take that with us into the next 1465 00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:22,380 iteration 1466 00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:24,660 um but again to your point that you sort 1467 00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,799 of brought up at the end of what you 1468 00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:27,599 said there I think it's very important 1469 00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:30,180 that we need to really watch for when 1470 00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:33,180 we're trying to have some sort of mommy 1471 00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:35,400 or daddy figure come in and fix the 1472 00:59:39,370 --> 00:59:37,920 problem for us because the truth I think 1473 00:59:41,569 --> 00:59:39,380 of this 1474 00:59:43,490 --> 00:59:41,579 multi-dimensional Cosmos we live in 1475 00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:43,500 that's richly populated with all these 1476 00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:45,839 different different intelligences is 1477 00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,440 that we are given 1478 00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:51,359 the opportunity 1479 00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:55,380 to thrive or die and it's on us and 1480 00:59:59,870 --> 00:59:58,020 largely the ones above us Beyond us are 1481 01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,880 trying to be hands off 1482 01:00:03,410 --> 01:00:01,920 so that we learn the lessons for the 1483 01:00:06,349 --> 01:00:03,420 right reasons we don't do it because 1484 01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,359 some God told us you can't do that or 1485 01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,880 because some overarching benevolent ET 1486 01:00:13,549 --> 01:00:10,799 says you can't do that but because we 1487 01:00:15,770 --> 01:00:13,559 understand in our core why it's not 1488 01:00:18,210 --> 01:00:15,780 helpful ultimately to do that as 1489 01:00:19,309 --> 01:00:18,220 individuals and as a collective Society 1490 01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:19,319 [Music] 1491 01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:21,240 it uh 1492 01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:23,880 reminds me that even mundane experience 1493 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,589 in that 1494 01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:32,750 there are so many moments of opportunity 1495 01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:36,240 to learn from what what is happening in 1496 01:00:42,490 --> 01:00:39,119 in any iteration or any experience 1497 01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:42,500 and as you pointed out even if we 1498 01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:45,359 we can we can continue to improve or 1499 01:00:48,589 --> 01:00:46,799 have another chance have another crack 1500 01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,599 it you know getting our development 1501 01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:50,640 right or getting back on the right track 1502 01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:51,920 or path 1503 01:00:57,049 --> 01:00:55,260 it still ultimately means that the 1504 01:00:58,210 --> 01:00:57,059 entire journey is significant and 1505 01:01:01,970 --> 01:00:58,220 important 1506 01:01:03,650 --> 01:01:01,980 there's again there's no you can't you 1507 01:01:06,289 --> 01:01:03,660 can't skip a class here 1508 01:01:08,089 --> 01:01:06,299 you know so that means that every 1509 01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:08,099 experience that we have every moment 1510 01:01:14,690 --> 01:01:11,160 every encounter every hardship every Joy 1511 01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:14,700 all of these things are a part of and a 1512 01:01:19,069 --> 01:01:17,520 necessary part of this journey of this 1513 01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:19,079 becoming 1514 01:01:25,069 --> 01:01:21,780 and I think that's an important takeaway 1515 01:01:28,430 --> 01:01:25,079 that we can get really often very 1516 01:01:29,930 --> 01:01:28,440 fixated on the future uh certainly 1517 01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:29,940 Within 1518 01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,040 I believe you know Circles of belief 1519 01:01:37,789 --> 01:01:35,040 there's often a fixation on the 1520 01:01:40,490 --> 01:01:37,799 afterlife or you know on the end and how 1521 01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:40,500 all the problems of of the day my my 1522 01:01:43,970 --> 01:01:42,420 problems that exist in my life you know 1523 01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:43,980 they'll be resolved and solved and 1524 01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,660 everything's great we're all singing 1525 01:01:50,569 --> 01:01:48,240 hymns and everything's fine and I think 1526 01:01:52,849 --> 01:01:50,579 that does an incredible disservice to 1527 01:01:54,829 --> 01:01:52,859 the lessons and experiences that we have 1528 01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:54,839 in our life 1529 01:02:01,730 --> 01:01:58,799 um that that contribute to who we are 1530 01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:01,740 and who we become and and and the wisdom 1531 01:02:05,870 --> 01:02:03,660 that we will gain and if we go through 1532 01:02:09,410 --> 01:02:05,880 all of that and we don't come away from 1533 01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:09,420 that a better person we have completely 1534 01:02:13,309 --> 01:02:10,380 failed 1535 01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,319 right and and that's just that that's 1536 01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,359 not a you know sort of a fanciful 1537 01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,760 statement I can tell you that is true 1538 01:02:21,950 --> 01:02:19,920 just by you know the interactions I have 1539 01:02:24,170 --> 01:02:21,960 with people that I care about you know 1540 01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:24,180 if I have experiences with them or I let 1541 01:02:28,910 --> 01:02:25,920 them down or I make the wrong choice I 1542 01:02:31,069 --> 01:02:28,920 mean that has a real impact on me and on 1543 01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:31,079 them and our relationship 1544 01:02:36,049 --> 01:02:33,960 um those are gross opportunities and we 1545 01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:36,059 all we can point to those points in our 1546 01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:37,740 lives where we can say yeah I messed up 1547 01:02:41,569 --> 01:02:39,420 and I I learned something there and I 1548 01:02:44,109 --> 01:02:41,579 won't do that again because doing that 1549 01:02:46,490 --> 01:02:44,119 again is a step back not a step forward 1550 01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,500 and essentially that's kind of what 1551 01:02:51,470 --> 01:02:48,480 we're getting at here and I know I'm 1552 01:02:54,349 --> 01:02:51,480 sounding very preachy but I think it's 1553 01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,359 hard not to come to those conclusions uh 1554 01:02:58,910 --> 01:02:56,400 given the kinds of things that we're 1555 01:03:01,030 --> 01:02:58,920 talking about uh anything that has 1556 01:03:02,990 --> 01:03:01,040 ultimate significance 1557 01:03:05,569 --> 01:03:03,000 yeah I think 1558 01:03:07,789 --> 01:03:05,579 that's right on I think that you know to 1559 01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:07,799 get back to your earlier question 1560 01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:11,160 what we can take away from this is that 1561 01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:12,660 regardless of what's happening on the 1562 01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:14,940 geopolitical stage and regardless of 1563 01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:16,380 what the US government is doing in terms 1564 01:03:21,770 --> 01:03:19,740 of admitting what it knows 1565 01:03:24,650 --> 01:03:21,780 we can always 1566 01:03:26,569 --> 01:03:24,660 make changes now that are positive we 1567 01:03:28,190 --> 01:03:26,579 are always in the position even when we 1568 01:03:30,109 --> 01:03:28,200 feel like we're in a tight space we 1569 01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:30,119 don't have much wiggle room there's 1570 01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:31,440 always that little bit of wiggle room 1571 01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,359 and maybe by making Positive Choices 1572 01:03:38,510 --> 01:03:35,520 there you create a bit more 1573 01:03:40,329 --> 01:03:38,520 People based on their situation you know 1574 01:03:43,130 --> 01:03:40,339 which nation state they're born into 1575 01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:43,140 their economic class how loving their 1576 01:03:45,770 --> 01:03:44,400 parents were all those things matter 1577 01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:45,780 right in terms of how much Freedom 1578 01:03:49,130 --> 01:03:47,040 people have 1579 01:03:51,770 --> 01:03:49,140 we're not saying it's all equal right 1580 01:03:55,130 --> 01:03:51,780 but we are saying that wherever you are 1581 01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:55,140 do what you can to move forward and that 1582 01:03:59,089 --> 01:03:57,480 what you do in moving forward doesn't 1583 01:04:00,829 --> 01:03:59,099 just mean for you it means for everybody 1584 01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:00,839 because again what we're seeing here and 1585 01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:03,240 this is really essential and it's really 1586 01:04:06,589 --> 01:04:04,920 hard to get across to people who are not 1587 01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:06,599 familiar with this idea but it's Central 1588 01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:08,220 to this entire question about 1589 01:04:13,010 --> 01:04:11,160 spirituality about ultimate meaning 1590 01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:13,020 about the UFO phenomenon about 1591 01:04:20,510 --> 01:04:15,960 everything is that 1592 01:04:23,030 --> 01:04:20,520 a revelation of non-duality is key that 1593 01:04:24,109 --> 01:04:23,040 to harm another is to harm myself and I 1594 01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,119 don't just mean in some sort of 1595 01:04:28,370 --> 01:04:26,160 principle because some God again told me 1596 01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:28,380 that because that's just fundamentally 1597 01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:31,740 true that's as much or even more true 1598 01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:34,140 than gravity you know this is this is a 1599 01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,540 law of the cosmos not a law because 1600 01:04:40,010 --> 01:04:38,160 someone said it has to be this way but 1601 01:04:42,650 --> 01:04:40,020 just because that is the nature of it 1602 01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:42,660 that um in the same way we recognize 1603 01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:44,280 that it doesn't make any sense for one 1604 01:04:48,349 --> 01:04:46,980 nation to make decisions about how it's 1605 01:04:49,789 --> 01:04:48,359 going to pollute and everybody else 1606 01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:49,799 makes their own decisions because we 1607 01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:52,260 live in one planet that shares an 1608 01:04:57,230 --> 01:04:54,720 atmosphere and what one country does 1609 01:04:58,970 --> 01:04:57,240 affects every other country and we are 1610 01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:58,980 now in the process of wrestling 1611 01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,960 awkwardly between 1612 01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,640 having weapons of mass destruction 1613 01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:04,319 pointed at each other while at the same 1614 01:05:08,089 --> 01:05:05,760 time trying to make a course about 1615 01:05:10,670 --> 01:05:08,099 pollution right this is kind of the the 1616 01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,680 bizarreness of the situation 1617 01:05:15,950 --> 01:05:12,720 but again 1618 01:05:18,770 --> 01:05:15,960 whenever we make decisions that can help 1619 01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:18,780 all of us move forward 1620 01:05:23,030 --> 01:05:21,359 we either can or we either do or we 1621 01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:23,040 don't and when we don't there's real 1622 01:05:26,569 --> 01:05:24,900 ramifications too and I don't just mean 1623 01:05:28,730 --> 01:05:26,579 here because you maybe will get ahead 1624 01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:28,740 right maybe you can cheat and steal and 1625 01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:30,540 get ahead for a little while but there's 1626 01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,339 no way in the long term and then in 1627 01:05:35,569 --> 01:05:33,839 moving from the relative to the absolute 1628 01:05:36,289 --> 01:05:35,579 scale that that's going to pay off for 1629 01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:36,299 you 1630 01:05:42,650 --> 01:05:41,280 level of first principles not from the 1631 01:05:44,569 --> 01:05:42,660 point of view that you may go to jail if 1632 01:05:46,730 --> 01:05:44,579 you get caught right or you may get 1633 01:05:48,349 --> 01:05:46,740 punished and put in hell if a god finds 1634 01:05:50,690 --> 01:05:48,359 out you did it right right it's not 1635 01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:50,700 about that it's about really we are 1636 01:05:56,329 --> 01:05:54,780 given the powers of gods to make all the 1637 01:05:58,190 --> 01:05:56,339 right or wrong decisions and to 1638 01:06:00,349 --> 01:05:58,200 experience the consequences of those 1639 01:06:02,930 --> 01:06:00,359 decisions and that those consequences 1640 01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:02,940 are meant to be realized over many 1641 01:06:07,069 --> 01:06:04,680 lifetimes and that's why what happens 1642 01:06:08,569 --> 01:06:07,079 here while it does matter it's not the 1643 01:06:10,910 --> 01:06:08,579 ultimate meaning it's not the ultimate 1644 01:06:13,010 --> 01:06:10,920 context and so that's what we're facing 1645 01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,020 here it's it's it is complex it is 1646 01:06:18,770 --> 01:06:16,319 nuanced and on the one hand it's it's 1647 01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:18,780 about trying to make decisions about 1648 01:06:22,970 --> 01:06:20,520 moving forward with the right groups of 1649 01:06:25,609 --> 01:06:22,980 these others and moving together in in 1650 01:06:28,250 --> 01:06:25,619 one Accord as one planetary civilization 1651 01:06:29,809 --> 01:06:28,260 big questions around that but it also 1652 01:06:31,730 --> 01:06:29,819 comes down to what can I do for my 1653 01:06:33,890 --> 01:06:31,740 neighbor today you know what can I do in 1654 01:06:35,930 --> 01:06:33,900 small ways to make the world better 1655 01:06:37,849 --> 01:06:35,940 because ultimately I know I'm benefiting 1656 01:06:39,770 --> 01:06:37,859 every everyone including myself when I 1657 01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:39,780 think with that mentality 1658 01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,440 right we are deeply entangled uh not 1659 01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:45,119 just with each other but with these 1660 01:06:52,010 --> 01:06:48,480 others and and the cosmos itself 1661 01:06:53,690 --> 01:06:52,020 um and that's an inescapable truth 1662 01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:53,700 um 1663 01:06:58,130 --> 01:06:56,160 yeah I'm reminded of 1664 01:07:00,829 --> 01:06:58,140 a couple of things the aerial School 1665 01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:00,839 incident where the children were told 1666 01:07:04,849 --> 01:07:01,920 you know we were becoming too 1667 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:04,859 technologied and it certainly Rings true 1668 01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:07,050 in this conversation 1669 01:07:10,609 --> 01:07:08,280 [Music] 1670 01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:10,619 and you know we we so often taken that 1671 01:07:15,950 --> 01:07:12,780 in the direction of our nuclear weapons 1672 01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:15,960 or uh other things but it's ironic to me 1673 01:07:21,289 --> 01:07:18,240 that we live in a day and age where our 1674 01:07:22,910 --> 01:07:21,299 technology allows us to be connected in 1675 01:07:24,130 --> 01:07:22,920 in in ways that we've never been 1676 01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,140 connected before 1677 01:07:28,849 --> 01:07:26,400 uh and yet 1678 01:07:29,870 --> 01:07:28,859 we we seem really far apart from one 1679 01:07:33,410 --> 01:07:29,880 another 1680 01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:33,420 and so you know that is almost a case in 1681 01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:36,000 point to say that the technology on its 1682 01:07:42,049 --> 01:07:39,359 own accord is not going to save us it 1683 01:07:44,510 --> 01:07:42,059 doesn't solve these fundamental issues 1684 01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:44,520 about how we treat one another and how 1685 01:07:49,730 --> 01:07:47,520 we relate to one another uh you know we 1686 01:07:51,710 --> 01:07:49,740 can go on to Twitter and we can we can 1687 01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:51,720 connect all day long or we can go on to 1688 01:07:56,329 --> 01:07:54,480 Facebook and in a reach out to that old 1689 01:07:58,010 --> 01:07:56,339 high school classmate for many years ago 1690 01:08:00,529 --> 01:07:58,020 and you know 1691 01:08:01,849 --> 01:08:00,539 share stories or you know catch up on 1692 01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:01,859 their families and feel like we're 1693 01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:03,720 really connecting but the truth of the 1694 01:08:08,089 --> 01:08:05,339 matter is it takes a lot more work than 1695 01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:08,099 that and it takes a lot more work than 1696 01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:11,760 just uh you know signing in and lobbing 1697 01:08:15,470 --> 01:08:13,380 a virtual stone at somebody who we just 1698 01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:15,480 happened to disagree with in that moment 1699 01:08:19,309 --> 01:08:17,640 and I and that's what's also frustrating 1700 01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:19,319 to me is we can look out at the 1701 01:08:24,530 --> 01:08:22,380 landscape of our culture right now no 1702 01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:24,540 matter what party you find yourself in 1703 01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:27,600 uh on the political divide and I think 1704 01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:29,400 you can agree that that we're not 1705 01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:30,900 listening to each other you know we're 1706 01:08:34,849 --> 01:08:34,080 not giving each other space to be Who We 1707 01:08:38,150 --> 01:08:34,859 Are 1708 01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:38,160 uh we are not uh being charitable 1709 01:08:44,090 --> 01:08:42,000 and a lot of uh you know what what it 1710 01:08:48,110 --> 01:08:44,100 will require is charity and Grace and 1711 01:08:50,689 --> 01:08:48,120 and uh and being open to change 1712 01:08:53,329 --> 01:08:50,699 um and not being quick to judge and uh 1713 01:08:55,610 --> 01:08:53,339 and to get you know easy points and wins 1714 01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:55,620 over somebody else 1715 01:09:01,789 --> 01:08:58,799 um and it's it's if if we can look at 1716 01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:01,799 our world today and come away with that 1717 01:09:06,289 --> 01:09:03,839 kind of insight imagine what other 1718 01:09:09,169 --> 01:09:06,299 beings who might be at different 1719 01:09:11,630 --> 01:09:09,179 developmental stages than us imagine how 1720 01:09:13,729 --> 01:09:11,640 they think about where we are 1721 01:09:15,769 --> 01:09:13,739 um and I wonder too you know do they 1722 01:09:17,450 --> 01:09:15,779 reflect on their own Journeys and go 1723 01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:17,460 yeah I remember kind of what it was like 1724 01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:20,880 when I was trapped in in that way of 1725 01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,289 yeah I think of several directions to go 1726 01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:29,759 in reflecting on what you just said 1727 01:09:34,610 --> 01:09:31,500 one is that 1728 01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:34,620 again having a nuanced perspective we're 1729 01:09:41,570 --> 01:09:38,400 not saying that laws don't matter or 1730 01:09:43,370 --> 01:09:41,580 that we should never legislate something 1731 01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:43,380 to be good and something to be bad you 1732 01:09:46,130 --> 01:09:44,460 know there's we do have to make 1733 01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,140 decisions for the benefit of the of the 1734 01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:48,000 whole or at least the benefit of the 1735 01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:48,960 majority 1736 01:09:54,050 --> 01:09:50,940 but what we are saying is that you can't 1737 01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,060 just legislate morality 1738 01:09:58,910 --> 01:09:56,640 outside of a context of relationship and 1739 01:10:01,970 --> 01:09:58,920 conversation that if we disagree with 1740 01:10:04,430 --> 01:10:01,980 people politically or around moral laws 1741 01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:04,440 or whatever then let's be in 1742 01:10:06,970 --> 01:10:05,820 conversation about it let's be in 1743 01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:06,980 dialogue 1744 01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,360 to legislate morality while 1745 01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:11,760 simultaneously suppressing people who 1746 01:10:16,189 --> 01:10:13,860 think differently will not make the 1747 01:10:18,350 --> 01:10:16,199 problem go away right and to this to the 1748 01:10:20,570 --> 01:10:18,360 same principle that I was pointing to 1749 01:10:22,669 --> 01:10:20,580 before that these more sophisticated 1750 01:10:24,770 --> 01:10:22,679 others that are benevolent 1751 01:10:26,930 --> 01:10:24,780 what they're interested in is that the 1752 01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,940 kids grow up the kids graduate Having 1753 01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:29,040 learned the lessons themselves so they 1754 01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:31,860 can become responsible adults and and 1755 01:10:36,890 --> 01:10:34,620 Lead families and civilizations and so 1756 01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,900 in the same way you know when we talk 1757 01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:38,640 about moving forward as a civilization 1758 01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:42,060 it has to be in dialogue we have to 1759 01:10:48,830 --> 01:10:45,900 get beyond my team versus your team and 1760 01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:48,840 get beyond the notion that ideas alone 1761 01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:51,900 or how you build strong societies strong 1762 01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,960 societies have to be in dialogue you 1763 01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:56,640 have to allow some room for difference 1764 01:11:00,649 --> 01:10:59,040 of opinion because if you don't it just 1765 01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,659 gets suppressed and becomes Shadow and 1766 01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:02,159 then it just flares up and becomes more 1767 01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:04,260 of a problem later on and most 1768 01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:06,480 fundamentally you never dealt with the 1769 01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:09,000 actual problem then it's like burying 1770 01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:11,040 sewage or something or or you know 1771 01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:13,800 taking nuclear waste and putting it in a 1772 01:11:17,209 --> 01:11:15,239 third world country so they can deal 1773 01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:17,219 with it that's into anybody good in the 1774 01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,440 long run that's the kind of mentality we 1775 01:11:27,290 --> 01:11:22,159 need to bring to this 1776 01:11:32,930 --> 01:11:30,470 the problem could could evacuate you 1777 01:11:35,570 --> 01:11:32,940 into this just now it could get worse 1778 01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:35,580 uh that if we can't resolve some of the 1779 01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:37,500 behavior that we have 1780 01:11:45,169 --> 01:11:41,580 that are just as a child inevitably does 1781 01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:45,179 grow into an adult if they don't come to 1782 01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:47,880 an awareness of how to behave you know 1783 01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:50,460 with others and and gain that kind of 1784 01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,600 maturity 1785 01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:53,520 they're still going to inhabit an adult 1786 01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,580 body and can do a much greater degree of 1787 01:12:01,010 --> 01:11:58,800 damage than they could as a child 1788 01:12:02,450 --> 01:12:01,020 uh and I think we're seeing some of that 1789 01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,460 I don't know what you would say about 1790 01:12:07,610 --> 01:12:05,280 this but it seems to me that we see some 1791 01:12:09,770 --> 01:12:07,620 of that on display with some of the 1792 01:12:12,050 --> 01:12:09,780 encounters that we hear about that there 1793 01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:12,060 are entities that have greater 1794 01:12:18,590 --> 01:12:16,260 capability than we have uh to manipulate 1795 01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:18,600 the the world that we inhabit but 1796 01:12:22,430 --> 01:12:19,980 they're incredibly destructive at the 1797 01:12:24,290 --> 01:12:22,440 same time it's it's literally like a kid 1798 01:12:26,689 --> 01:12:24,300 who's grown up into an adult and they're 1799 01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:26,699 just wreaking havoc inside of the 1800 01:12:30,890 --> 01:12:28,199 department store or something because 1801 01:12:32,930 --> 01:12:30,900 they didn't understand how to behave or 1802 01:12:35,330 --> 01:12:32,940 I think of Lord of the Flies right that 1803 01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:35,340 story is about these kids who are you 1804 01:12:38,270 --> 01:12:36,900 know kind of left on an island to rule 1805 01:12:39,229 --> 01:12:38,280 themselves and it doesn't go so well 1806 01:12:45,229 --> 01:12:39,239 right 1807 01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:47,689 so we're really sort of pointing people 1808 01:12:53,390 --> 01:12:50,760 towards the the idea of context here 1809 01:12:57,709 --> 01:12:53,400 make context in terms of it being about 1810 01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,719 more than just me and my tribe but also 1811 01:13:03,530 --> 01:12:59,760 being about more than just this 1812 01:13:05,530 --> 01:13:03,540 iteration right and this planet and that 1813 01:13:08,270 --> 01:13:05,540 we're also saying there's an incredible 1814 01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:08,280 responsibility here 1815 01:13:12,169 --> 01:13:10,500 um because again I think what I'm trying 1816 01:13:14,689 --> 01:13:12,179 to say to people is rather than there 1817 01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:14,699 being a spiritual realm and then a 1818 01:13:18,350 --> 01:13:16,380 Physical Realm however you want to you 1819 01:13:20,090 --> 01:13:18,360 know describe that and that you have 1820 01:13:22,810 --> 01:13:20,100 this like you kind of pointed out before 1821 01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:22,820 this notion of these you know benevolent 1822 01:13:27,169 --> 01:13:25,500 angels that serve a God who sits on a 1823 01:13:28,570 --> 01:13:27,179 cloud and people playing Harps and 1824 01:13:31,550 --> 01:13:28,580 hanging out and having a good time 1825 01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,560 singing hymns and then you have the rest 1826 01:13:37,610 --> 01:13:33,840 of creation which is a bunch of 1827 01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:37,620 sentient entities that are finite beings 1828 01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:40,320 that will ultimately be punished or 1829 01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:42,540 rewarded by this God figure 1830 01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,000 rather than having that very dualistic 1831 01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:47,760 notion of reality what I'm saying is 1832 01:13:56,930 --> 01:13:53,630 the meaning of spirituality is invested 1833 01:13:59,450 --> 01:13:56,940 in the entire Cosmos that there is no 1834 01:14:00,350 --> 01:13:59,460 separation between the two one of the 1835 01:14:01,850 --> 01:14:00,360 things I was saying to you before we 1836 01:14:03,649 --> 01:14:01,860 went on the air is that 1837 01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:03,659 almost everything we see a physical 1838 01:14:08,090 --> 01:14:06,239 manifestation of is actually a 1839 01:14:10,010 --> 01:14:08,100 derivative of an underlying spiritual 1840 01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:10,020 reality so I think this is why even 1841 01:14:14,030 --> 01:14:12,360 things like sometimes astrology gets 1842 01:14:16,970 --> 01:14:14,040 some things right that's why the the 1843 01:14:19,250 --> 01:14:16,980 idea of Ley lines in a planet 1844 01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:19,260 um you know or chakras and a human being 1845 01:14:23,870 --> 01:14:22,260 these really are 1846 01:14:24,169 --> 01:14:23,880 physical 1847 01:14:25,610 --> 01:14:24,179 [Music] 1848 01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:25,620 um 1849 01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:28,860 aspects of underlying realities that are 1850 01:14:32,990 --> 01:14:30,900 whether there's physical in a human body 1851 01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:33,000 or in a cosmological scale they have 1852 01:14:37,310 --> 01:14:35,520 spiritual meanings behind or energetic 1853 01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:37,320 meanings behind the physical 1854 01:14:42,649 --> 01:14:40,920 manifestation so it's it's a lot of 1855 01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:42,659 responsibility and it's also a lot of 1856 01:14:49,130 --> 01:14:44,159 opportunity that's what I'm saying 1857 01:14:53,630 --> 01:14:51,410 not about some overarching God that 1858 01:14:55,310 --> 01:14:53,640 wants to punish or set a bunch of rules 1859 01:14:57,550 --> 01:14:55,320 because they're just arbitrarily decided 1860 01:15:01,010 --> 01:14:57,560 and he likes to be in power 1861 01:15:01,850 --> 01:15:01,020 but because but rather that we each of 1862 01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:01,860 us 1863 01:15:06,649 --> 01:15:04,020 are given all the freedom in the world 1864 01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:06,659 to destroy ourselves or to liberate 1865 01:15:10,970 --> 01:15:07,800 ourselves that's what we're really 1866 01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,980 coming down to here and that's that's a 1867 01:15:15,169 --> 01:15:13,199 that's a weighty you know there's a lot 1868 01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:15,179 of gravity to that and some people are 1869 01:15:19,310 --> 01:15:17,400 not prepared for that some people 1870 01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:19,320 I would even argue as I said to you 1871 01:15:22,490 --> 01:15:20,760 before we went on the Air Tonight 1872 01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:22,500 that some of the origins of our 1873 01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:24,960 religions were about some of these other 1874 01:15:29,390 --> 01:15:26,880 groups that were more advanced than us 1875 01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:29,400 and benevolent coming and trying to 1876 01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,500 inspire us and we 1877 01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:33,600 kind of like the whole cargo cult motion 1878 01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:36,300 assumed they were Gods right not again 1879 01:15:40,910 --> 01:15:37,920 we're back to Duality again they're not 1880 01:15:42,530 --> 01:15:40,920 like us anyways they're God beings and 1881 01:15:44,830 --> 01:15:42,540 so we have to serve them what do we need 1882 01:15:48,169 --> 01:15:44,840 to do to sacrifice whatever it takes 1883 01:15:51,290 --> 01:15:48,179 animals children whatever to appease 1884 01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:51,300 them rather than realizing 1885 01:15:57,060 --> 01:15:54,060 that we actually are just like them just 1886 01:15:57,290 --> 01:15:57,070 not quite as evolved yet so this is the 1887 01:15:58,130 --> 01:15:57,300 [Music] 1888 01:16:00,110 --> 01:15:58,140 um 1889 01:16:01,070 --> 01:16:00,120 this is the challenge because a lot of 1890 01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:01,080 people 1891 01:16:07,970 --> 01:16:03,540 just like in history took these messages 1892 01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:07,980 of Brotherhood right of siblinghood and 1893 01:16:13,390 --> 01:16:11,040 have turned it into an US versus them in 1894 01:16:17,090 --> 01:16:13,400 terms of the god beings and the the 1895 01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:17,100 Lesser Mortals and 1896 01:16:20,570 --> 01:16:18,719 in the same way that those were 1897 01:16:22,669 --> 01:16:20,580 perverted eventually by people who 1898 01:16:24,350 --> 01:16:22,679 wanted power you know whether it's the 1899 01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,360 ancient Egyptians and what happened with 1900 01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:26,159 the pyramids as I was saying to before 1901 01:16:31,209 --> 01:16:28,560 we went on the air or the message of 1902 01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:31,219 Jesus of Nazareth which was very 1903 01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,040 non-dual in nature and yet 1904 01:16:39,709 --> 01:16:37,679 it's been remarkably 1905 01:16:42,830 --> 01:16:39,719 um distorted over time 1906 01:16:45,050 --> 01:16:42,840 to now we have some very regressive 1907 01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:45,060 aspects of American culture that have 1908 01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:48,659 defined a notion of religion tied to 1909 01:16:53,630 --> 01:16:51,120 that figure historically but at the same 1910 01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:53,640 time arguing for you know 1911 01:16:57,169 --> 01:16:55,199 all sorts of other crazy ideas I'm not 1912 01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:57,179 going to name them but it's basically 1913 01:17:02,090 --> 01:17:00,239 you know your your wish list of 1914 01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:02,100 regressive thinking and you just throw 1915 01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:04,380 Jesus on top to make it sound like it's 1916 01:17:08,750 --> 01:17:06,960 somehow Justified right um 1917 01:17:10,910 --> 01:17:08,760 this is this is the this is the 1918 01:17:13,550 --> 01:17:10,920 challenge we face again it comes down to 1919 01:17:15,410 --> 01:17:13,560 the problem fundamentally and the 1920 01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:15,420 opportunity fundamentally and the 1921 01:17:21,050 --> 01:17:17,940 solution fundamentally is always about 1922 01:17:29,689 --> 01:17:25,790 well I'm cognizant of where we are uh in 1923 01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,189 you know we've had a great conversation 1924 01:17:36,649 --> 01:17:33,360 this evening and and the fire has been 1925 01:17:39,770 --> 01:17:36,659 really nice to uh to watch uh and just 1926 01:17:40,729 --> 01:17:39,780 the atmosphere has been really Pleasant 1927 01:17:44,090 --> 01:17:40,739 um 1928 01:17:46,750 --> 01:17:44,100 but not just this this moment that we 1929 01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:46,760 have and are sharing together but also 1930 01:17:53,390 --> 01:17:50,400 this time we are in uh and where we are 1931 01:17:56,270 --> 01:17:53,400 all waiting uh for you know hopefully 1932 01:18:01,250 --> 01:17:56,280 the next Revelation from uh the powers 1933 01:18:04,330 --> 01:18:01,260 that be uh what would you advise is the 1934 01:18:08,570 --> 01:18:04,340 you know it's the right stance the the 1935 01:18:11,410 --> 01:18:08,580 well-placed intention uh as we 1936 01:18:16,669 --> 01:18:11,420 not only wait for this next announcement 1937 01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:16,679 but uh wait for whatever it is insert uh 1938 01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:19,500 for our listeners you know insert desire 1939 01:18:24,610 --> 01:18:22,500 of choice that disclosure 1940 01:18:27,649 --> 01:18:24,620 solves for you 1941 01:18:31,850 --> 01:18:27,659 what would be your advice on on how to 1942 01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:31,860 reframe uh our mindset and and 1943 01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,890 well I think the first thing I would say 1944 01:18:44,330 --> 01:18:38,239 is 1945 01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,340 self-awareness which I've often lobbied 1946 01:18:49,250 --> 01:18:46,560 for on this show 1947 01:18:52,370 --> 01:18:49,260 be wary of 1948 01:18:54,350 --> 01:18:52,380 the spectacle of the UFO phenomenon be 1949 01:18:56,930 --> 01:18:54,360 wary of 1950 01:19:00,169 --> 01:18:56,940 putting your own development to the side 1951 01:19:02,750 --> 01:19:00,179 and being caught up in the spectacle of 1952 01:19:06,410 --> 01:19:02,760 the notion of intelligent others being 1953 01:19:08,090 --> 01:19:06,420 here with a sophisticated craft 1954 01:19:10,490 --> 01:19:08,100 don't get caught up so much in that that 1955 01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:10,500 you forget the most important aspect of 1956 01:19:16,189 --> 01:19:14,280 why you're here and let that inform your 1957 01:19:18,530 --> 01:19:16,199 decisions about why you're here 1958 01:19:20,510 --> 01:19:18,540 but don't let it 1959 01:19:22,130 --> 01:19:20,520 you know take you off track because 1960 01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:22,140 regardless of whether disclosure happens 1961 01:19:29,330 --> 01:19:25,260 tomorrow or next year or for a decade 1962 01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:31,850 your place here your role here your task 1963 01:19:37,850 --> 01:19:35,280 here is the same and and also it adds to 1964 01:19:40,850 --> 01:19:37,860 that the messages from the benevolent 1965 01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:40,860 groups we already know we don't have to 1966 01:19:45,950 --> 01:19:42,719 wait for them to say it on the White 1967 01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:45,960 House lawn right I mean when you look 1968 01:19:49,250 --> 01:19:48,000 back at the history both in terms of the 1969 01:19:51,169 --> 01:19:49,260 initial 1970 01:19:53,090 --> 01:19:51,179 uh origins of some of our religious 1971 01:19:54,830 --> 01:19:53,100 Traditions which again were later kind 1972 01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:54,840 of became more 1973 01:19:59,149 --> 01:19:57,600 um about laws and do's and don'ts but 1974 01:20:00,590 --> 01:19:59,159 were initially about this kind of 1975 01:20:02,450 --> 01:20:00,600 invitation 1976 01:20:05,689 --> 01:20:02,460 to meaning 1977 01:20:08,450 --> 01:20:05,699 um and cooperation in the same way that 1978 01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:08,460 and you know add to that the notion of 1979 01:20:12,410 --> 01:20:10,440 people like me and other people who've 1980 01:20:13,970 --> 01:20:12,420 had positive encounters with these 1981 01:20:15,709 --> 01:20:13,980 beings and have heard very positive 1982 01:20:18,770 --> 01:20:15,719 encouraging messages 1983 01:20:21,649 --> 01:20:18,780 that say that you are Eternal you can't 1984 01:20:23,810 --> 01:20:21,659 die but the decisions you make have real 1985 01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:23,820 impact not only in this life but in 1986 01:20:28,370 --> 01:20:26,159 future iterations things you do now in 1987 01:20:29,689 --> 01:20:28,380 this lifetime will very much set up what 1988 01:20:31,250 --> 01:20:29,699 will or won't happen or what 1989 01:20:33,290 --> 01:20:31,260 opportunities are presented to you or 1990 01:20:36,290 --> 01:20:33,300 not in the next lifetime again not 1991 01:20:38,510 --> 01:20:36,300 because of some punitive punitive God 1992 01:20:40,850 --> 01:20:38,520 figure or some overarching alien 1993 01:20:43,010 --> 01:20:40,860 intelligence that because consequences 1994 01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:43,020 are real and you are given total freedom 1995 01:20:46,250 --> 01:20:45,120 we were all given total freedom in this 1996 01:20:48,530 --> 01:20:46,260 Cosmos 1997 01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:48,540 to make decisions 1998 01:20:53,390 --> 01:20:51,120 that either benefit us or not and to 1999 01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:53,400 learn the lessons thereof that's what it 2000 01:20:56,630 --> 01:20:55,440 really comes down to 2001 01:21:00,110 --> 01:20:56,640 um that's what I would encourage people 2002 01:21:01,490 --> 01:21:00,120 to to focus on is what can I do to keep 2003 01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:01,500 moving forward 2004 01:21:06,290 --> 01:21:03,840 How can I 2005 01:21:08,590 --> 01:21:06,300 be a part of the best parts of the UFO 2006 01:21:11,570 --> 01:21:08,600 phenomenon by but at the same time being 2007 01:21:13,610 --> 01:21:11,580 conscious of and Discerning of some of 2008 01:21:16,669 --> 01:21:13,620 the elements that might not be in our 2009 01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:16,679 best interest and like we talk about 2010 01:21:20,570 --> 01:21:18,239 tonight 2011 01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:20,580 don't fall for the notion that if we 2012 01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:23,040 just get the right technological tools 2013 01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:24,780 that that will solve the problems 2014 01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:27,360 because it will not in some ways it 2015 01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:29,280 could exacerbate the problems it could 2016 01:21:34,729 --> 01:21:31,620 perpetuate the same situation especially 2017 01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:34,739 if these Technologies help us to wield 2018 01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:36,780 more power over the physical world 2019 01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:39,360 setting quotes we may be caught up more 2020 01:21:42,649 --> 01:21:40,920 and more in the delusion more and more 2021 01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:42,659 caught up in the whirlpool 2022 01:21:46,850 --> 01:21:44,940 rather than recognizing the whirlpool is 2023 01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:46,860 ultimately just the water it's just the 2024 01:21:51,290 --> 01:21:49,800 ocean so you know be careful what you 2025 01:21:53,390 --> 01:21:51,300 ask for you know this is a cautionary 2026 01:21:55,610 --> 01:21:53,400 tale at the same time I'm saying 2027 01:21:58,189 --> 01:21:55,620 everything you need is already there for 2028 01:22:00,169 --> 01:21:58,199 you and um and that there are others 2029 01:22:01,669 --> 01:22:00,179 that are willing to help us as we move 2030 01:22:04,010 --> 01:22:01,679 forward whether people think about these 2031 01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:04,020 in terms of their Angels or their Spirit 2032 01:22:08,090 --> 01:22:05,760 guides or whatever however you wanted to 2033 01:22:10,689 --> 01:22:08,100 describe them benevolent aliens it 2034 01:22:13,970 --> 01:22:10,699 doesn't really matter what label you use 2035 01:22:16,250 --> 01:22:13,980 just like you know we now like to help 2036 01:22:18,169 --> 01:22:16,260 and lift up the animal species and take 2037 01:22:19,729 --> 01:22:18,179 care of them in the same way some of 2038 01:22:23,810 --> 01:22:19,739 these others definitely want to help us 2039 01:22:26,510 --> 01:22:23,820 move forward too but it has to be 2040 01:22:28,669 --> 01:22:26,520 bias learning the principled lessons not 2041 01:22:30,830 --> 01:22:28,679 by just solving the problem today you 2042 01:22:32,209 --> 01:22:30,840 know give someone a fish or teach them 2043 01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:32,219 to fish right it's that kind of 2044 01:22:36,050 --> 01:22:33,600 difference right that's what they're 2045 01:22:38,450 --> 01:22:36,060 interested in is the second and we can 2046 01:22:39,950 --> 01:22:38,460 move forward make positive decisions and 2047 01:22:42,530 --> 01:22:39,960 also expect help from them in that 2048 01:22:46,189 --> 01:22:44,209 and I'm reminded too of something that 2049 01:22:47,810 --> 01:22:46,199 we talked about before we went on the 2050 01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,820 air and that's the importance of 2051 01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:49,679 relational 2052 01:22:58,430 --> 01:22:53,280 uh learning and meaning to be in 2053 01:23:00,770 --> 01:22:58,440 dialogue with others to 2054 01:23:02,810 --> 01:23:00,780 invest part of yourself in another 2055 01:23:06,130 --> 01:23:02,820 person and to be vulnerable with another 2056 01:23:09,130 --> 01:23:06,140 person and reciprocate and kind 2057 01:23:13,130 --> 01:23:09,140 in those relationships because 2058 01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:13,140 uh really relationality is is also 2059 01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:15,300 fundamentally part of 2060 01:23:22,010 --> 01:23:18,239 of reality itself 2061 01:23:25,490 --> 01:23:22,020 that there's a reason why we are 2062 01:23:28,510 --> 01:23:25,500 individuated consciousnesses having an 2063 01:23:32,510 --> 01:23:28,520 experience it's not just for our own 2064 01:23:33,950 --> 01:23:32,520 sake that there are more things we can 2065 01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:33,960 learn 2066 01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:36,960 through our collective experience with 2067 01:23:44,510 --> 01:23:39,440 one another our engagement with reality 2068 01:23:46,610 --> 01:23:44,520 and experience that adds to the whole so 2069 01:23:47,950 --> 01:23:46,620 it's cumulative it has a compounding 2070 01:23:51,890 --> 01:23:47,960 benefit 2071 01:23:55,930 --> 01:23:51,900 and to look for opportunities to get 2072 01:23:59,870 --> 01:23:55,940 into dialogue with others to help others 2073 01:24:02,510 --> 01:23:59,880 to you know put others before yourself 2074 01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:02,520 you know these are time-honored things 2075 01:24:06,649 --> 01:24:04,320 that I'm not making it up these are 2076 01:24:10,430 --> 01:24:06,659 things that are part of some of our our 2077 01:24:13,550 --> 01:24:10,440 grandest traditions and I think 2078 01:24:14,410 --> 01:24:13,560 if you find yourself in in doing those 2079 01:24:18,110 --> 01:24:14,420 things 2080 01:24:19,970 --> 01:24:18,120 the value is self-evident 2081 01:24:21,770 --> 01:24:19,980 um and it's not you know as we've talked 2082 01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,780 about tonight it's not just that we 2083 01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:24,239 might be having a conversation with a 2084 01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,679 fellow human we might be having a 2085 01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:27,600 conversation with a fellow human who may 2086 01:24:34,669 --> 01:24:31,199 also be uh you know someone who's who's 2087 01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:34,679 who's in a human instantiation that they 2088 01:24:39,770 --> 01:24:37,440 have had other experiences uh throughout 2089 01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:39,780 their throughout their lifetimes 2090 01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:43,679 uh and other in other modalities and and 2091 01:24:48,410 --> 01:24:46,080 uh and and there are opportunities there 2092 01:24:52,130 --> 01:24:48,420 there's wisdom to mine there from that 2093 01:24:55,070 --> 01:24:52,140 interaction and so uh you know it's it's 2094 01:24:57,649 --> 01:24:55,080 incredibly valuable uh to do so I found 2095 01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:57,659 it to be incredibly valuable to be in 2096 01:25:02,810 --> 01:25:00,000 dialogue with you and with those others 2097 01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:02,820 in our community who have a good faith 2098 01:25:08,209 --> 01:25:05,760 interest in in having the conversation 2099 01:25:12,350 --> 01:25:08,219 uh so I would say to those that are 2100 01:25:14,030 --> 01:25:12,360 waiting on this report to uh to relax a 2101 01:25:15,950 --> 01:25:14,040 little bit not worry too much about it 2102 01:25:20,330 --> 01:25:15,960 as you said the answers were already 2103 01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:20,340 here in many many ways uh to instead not 2104 01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:24,239 fixate on the spectacle but engage Where 2105 01:25:28,910 --> 01:25:25,280 You Are 2106 01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:28,920 uh and and and look for ways that that 2107 01:25:35,689 --> 01:25:32,340 living and being can get deeper than it 2108 01:25:38,570 --> 01:25:35,699 is uh you know there are tremendous 2109 01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,580 benefits to that way of um of being in 2110 01:25:44,209 --> 01:25:40,320 the world and 2111 01:25:46,370 --> 01:25:44,219 um if we get sidetracked by you know the 2112 01:25:49,610 --> 01:25:46,380 shiny things in the sky then I think we 2113 01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,620 can often miss the point 2114 01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,840 yeah that and getting caught up in the 2115 01:25:55,310 --> 01:25:53,520 the shiny things that we like to collect 2116 01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:55,320 so we think we're winning the game right 2117 01:25:58,370 --> 01:25:57,120 I mean I was thinking about when you 2118 01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:58,380 mentioned earlier you know calling an 2119 01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:59,760 old high school friend and often what 2120 01:26:02,689 --> 01:26:01,199 that comes down to is 2121 01:26:04,189 --> 01:26:02,699 talking about really silly 2122 01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:04,199 inconsequential things like you know 2123 01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:05,280 what kind of house you're living in now 2124 01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:06,480 what are you driving where do you live 2125 01:26:10,910 --> 01:26:09,120 you know and 2126 01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,920 rather than talking about I mean how 2127 01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,480 many of those conversations are of the 2128 01:26:16,370 --> 01:26:14,880 nature where we say so what what kind of 2129 01:26:17,629 --> 01:26:16,380 uh you know what kind of energetic 2130 01:26:19,310 --> 01:26:17,639 things are you working through what kind 2131 01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:19,320 of uh 2132 01:26:22,729 --> 01:26:20,880 um you know impurities are you have you 2133 01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,739 burned through this year as you seek to 2134 01:26:26,330 --> 01:26:24,480 grow your soul right you don't usually 2135 01:26:27,950 --> 01:26:26,340 have those kind of conversations whether 2136 01:26:29,629 --> 01:26:27,960 it's at the supermarket or on the phone 2137 01:26:31,550 --> 01:26:29,639 with someone we went to high school with 2138 01:26:33,169 --> 01:26:31,560 or whatever or sometimes even the people 2139 01:26:34,610 --> 01:26:33,179 we spend the most time with right that's 2140 01:26:36,830 --> 01:26:34,620 the conversations we should be having 2141 01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:36,840 and again I think when you think about 2142 01:26:42,110 --> 01:26:39,600 it from this perspective you realize 2143 01:26:44,090 --> 01:26:42,120 it's in your best interest and it's in 2144 01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:44,100 everybody else's best interest and 2145 01:26:48,729 --> 01:26:47,040 ultimately that is the same interest yes 2146 01:26:52,430 --> 01:26:48,739 yeah well said 2147 01:26:54,649 --> 01:26:52,440 well I enjoyed this uh second experience 2148 01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:54,659 in the outdoors I'm hopeful that it was 2149 01:27:01,010 --> 01:26:57,840 a little quieter than the last uh I 2150 01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:01,020 apologize for any uh errant noises that 2151 01:27:06,050 --> 01:27:03,360 bother some of our listeners I'm sure 2152 01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:06,060 we'll hear about it nonetheless uh thank 2153 01:27:12,590 --> 01:27:08,639 you for investing your time in in our 2154 01:27:16,490 --> 01:27:12,600 show we don't take that for granted we 2155 01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:16,500 very much enjoy your feedback and you 2156 01:27:21,770 --> 01:27:18,060 know we haven't done a listener question 2157 01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:21,780 show really in quite some time it might 2158 01:27:24,169 --> 01:27:23,400 be something worth tackling in the 2159 01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:24,179 future 2160 01:27:30,910 --> 01:27:27,060 uh as our audience uh continues to 2161 01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:30,920 engage with us in this important topic 2162 01:27:36,410 --> 01:27:34,320 so as we close I mean the quality of our 2163 01:27:39,050 --> 01:27:36,420 questions shaped by a desire for 2164 01:27:40,189 --> 01:27:39,060 understanding enhance our journey of 2165 01:27:42,050 --> 01:27:40,199 discovery 2166 01:27:44,270 --> 01:27:42,060 and may our travels broaden the sphere 2167 01:27:47,149 --> 01:27:44,280 of our Consciousness reminding us that 2168 01:27:51,229 --> 01:27:47,159 new discoveries beget New Horizons 2169 01:27:56,090 --> 01:27:51,239 as always Adventure awaits we'll see you 2170 01:28:06,320 --> 01:27:58,320 foreign